Unshakable Faith, Creative Passion, and Thanksgiving Celebrations

Freedom Speakers. In the studio today, we have The Honorable Rodney D. Adamson ll promoting the play: People Always Talking About "Church Folks"

Written by: Lady Eva Marie Sims
The Lady Designed By God Production Presents:  
People Always Talking About "Church Folks"

Location: Lee Memorial AME Church 861 E. 105th St., Cleveland, OH 44108

General Admission: $20

Saturday December 21, 2024 
Doors Open @ 4:15 PM 
Showtime Promptly @ 5:00PM

Ever wondered what fuels the fire of creative passion? Join us as we chart a rebellious journey into the world of filmmaking and acting, driven by a desire to escape the 9-to-5 grind. From scripting sketches to staging plays like "Church Folks," our path has been one of faith, creativity, and collaboration with talents like Leda Eva Sims and Pastor Roger K. Reid. This episode brims with stories of truth, redemption, and the importance of owning one's artistic voice in a world eager to box it in.

Love, faith, and family—these are the ties that bind, and our conversation does not shy away from the complexities they present. Through personal insights and humorous anecdotes, we tackle celibacy, the pressures of media, and the pursuit of relationships anchored in respect and shared beliefs. Reflecting on fatherhood, we focus on the legacy we wish to leave, and our aspirations for the next generation, wrapped up in the embrace of community and tradition. Don’t miss our heartfelt tribute to the nuances of intimacy, communication, and the everlasting impact of family bonds, all while preparing for the festive joys of Thanksgiving.

Remember the first time you heard an iconic movie line that stuck with you forever? We've all been there, and it's time to celebrate how these cinematic treasures have woven themselves into the fabric of our daily lives, shaping conversations and even our parenting styles. With films like "Friday" and "The Nutty Professor" at the forefront, and a nod to the glory days of MySpace, we revel in the hilarious ways pop culture references transform our interactions. Plus, don’t miss our tribute to David Ruffin's unforgettable voice and the musical magic that has bonded us through laughter and memory.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Nostalgic Movie and Music References
• 11:44 Personal Journey Into Filmmaking and Acting
• 17:23 Church Folks Play and Ownership
• 23:19 Character Development and Acting Process
• 34:05 Exploring Faith and Belief Systems
• 43:54 Surrendering to God's Guidance and Calling
• 51:14 Stories of Family and Friendship
• 59:42 Maintaining Healthy Relationships Through Faith
• 1:07:23 Navigating Relationships and Faith Challenges
• 1:12:36 Mutual Respect and Relationship Dynamics
• 1:22:03 Importance of Understanding vs. Respect
• 1:27:24 Embracing Intimacy and Affection in Relationships
• 1:33:25 Share and Connect Through Personal Stories
• 1:39:57 Understanding Relationship Dynamics and Communication
• 1:46:47 Importance of Love and Family Bonds
• 1:59:03 Fatherhood and Family Reflections
• 2:12:24 Embracing Self-Care and Boundaries
• 2:25:28 Thanksgiving and Family Gatherings
• 2:35:45 Social Media and Theater Promotion

Transcript

Speaker 1: 1:34

Like for me she don't show like Friday, she's like Friday's goofy. I'm like.

Speaker 2: 1:38

Friday you got it.

Speaker 1: 1:38

You got it. For me, that's a deal breaker.

Speaker 2: 1:40

Friday. You need Friday. I got to have my boys watch Friday Right, that's an important one.

Speaker 1: 1:44

Man, but she'll quote what's Love Got to Do With it? She'll do Nutty Professor. She'll do.

Speaker 2: 1:52

I don't want the movie reference line that you like to use like your favorite one you like, oh, this the one I use at least once or twice a week.

Speaker 1: 2:00

That's a oh man, what is it better?

Speaker 2: 2:02

put some water on that damn shit.

Speaker 1: 2:05

Um, I mean honestly, look, I mean it'll probably be like pops. I'll be like help me, please, help me, please, help me please. I'll be saying that I'll be helping me, please help me please, what about you love?

Speaker 2: 2:14

it'd probably be better put some water on that damn shit. Man, john witherspoon got all, oh matter of fact. So my boys, man, they and they figuring out like how to dress I'm not even like a fashion guy. So my baby boy man, he ate, so he think like putting together an outfit me. Okay, I got, I got a blue shirt, so I need blue pants. No, son. So what do I say, son, it's not about matching. I've been there. Yeah, you gotta coordinate.

Speaker 1: 2:39

Oh, yeah, so I hit him with that.

Speaker 2: 2:42

So look, the other day he said hey, dad, remember when you told me about coordinating, I'm like yeah. He's like look, I'm like, oh, you got it.

Speaker 1: 2:52

You got it, baby, you got it. You know that's funny, you look good, you look gotta coordinate, coordinate, gotta coordinate.

Speaker 2: 2:58

Yeah, give me a movie quote, what's one that just it just come out. Yeah, when Vanessa get on my case about things that I know that I like, when Vanessa get on my case about things that I know I like supposed to do, I turn into like I know I, I wrote it. I'm like come, come on, man, you playing with me, baby, I got it, I got it. Boy, you know you can hit it with your own, you ain't even need no car, you ain't even need no car. That's funny, that's an inside joke. So a lot of quotes we come up with. For sure I call them like I put spells over myself With these quotes. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 3:32

But a quote we came up with One time was she didn't even need no car Came because my truck I had ahead at the time had an 04 Escalade. I got it from a buy her, pay her lot. It caught on fire like three times Three times. Remember you and Mika came and rescued us. My nigga looking sad as fuck. I'm not just sad.

Speaker 1: 3:55

Usually I'm the one that needs to be rescued.

Speaker 2: 3:57

I'm calling big bro like hey, man help.

Speaker 1: 3:59

It was my turn, my nigga looking sad as fuck. I remember it's this one, quote this one thing like what would my baby do If she's dropping me off to go somewhere? We're running late, like off the Temptations movie. When she's like, come on, get us to the station, Come on, get us to the station, That'd be hitting us cracking up.

Speaker 2: 4:18

Hey man, I watched that Temptation movie the other day. Just you know, it was Crystal called me when I was watching it and she's like what you doing. I'm like watching the Temptations man. Damon Ruffin was pissed off when they let that nigga go. He was mad as fuck. You ungrateful sons of bitches, steps of. If you can't do me like this man he was going oh, that's okay, y'all ain't nothing without me, man, nothing with your fake ass, steps, man, and I'm just sitting there like yeah, he was he, bro?

Speaker 1: 4:47

you was fucking up, though you were fucking up, but listen man low-key david ruffin is low-key, one of the greatest male vocalists of all time I. For sure, vocally, I stand on that. Not vocally, I stand. Have you listened?

Speaker 2: 4:59

to. I Wish it Would Rain like that. I wish it would rain, but the way he go up and down For sure. It's like oh, man, you can only do that on Coke Yo.

Speaker 1: 5:13

You can only do that on Coke. Rest in peace, david. Rest in peace, rest in.

Speaker 2: 5:19

So it's not talent, it's coke that makes him do it. It's not talent, it's both. I think coke make him be able to keep doing shit for sure man, they gotta work 16 hour days on the road real talk, gotta keep doing. I wish it would rain. That's the shit. I ain't did no coke so I could hit that line. I hope you never hit that hit that line.

Speaker 1: 5:37

Yeah, please talk to us. Talk to us, we good, talk to us.

Speaker 2: 5:40

But dog man. So I I do use Movie references A lot To like keep grounded With With the kids and I know that they use Like memes and stuff now. But we, as I tell KJ, like bro, we invented cool, we, the first real Children of the internet. You know what I'm saying. I'm like bro, we, we, we, we, we. You ain't wrote code for MySpace, that's right. Ooh, come on now. We knew how to get the SpongeBob with the chains and the grill and all that.

Speaker 1: 6:11

All of that man. You had to get the playlist for MySpace. Remember the playlist?

Speaker 2: 6:15

Yeah, for sure that's nostalgia.

Speaker 1: 6:17

Come on, bro, you ain't live long enough. You go to my page.

Speaker 2: 6:19

I want this song to play. I had Run this Town Jay-Z and that song don't feel old, but we talking 2008, 2009,.

Speaker 1: 6:27

The Blueprint 3. It's crazy, yeah, like it don't feel that long ago, but like when people like hold up, yeah, I was in high school when this happened. What's going on? Yeah, I had.

Speaker 2: 6:38

Run this Town, jay Z, rihanna, kanye West on my MySpace page that song Don't Feel that Old, but yeah, I had that on my MySpace page. When you go to my page, that song start playing. Right. I got the. I was the Cyphers Lay Low, that was my name. I was rapping and shit on my thing. You remember that?

Speaker 1: 6:54

You remember?

Speaker 2: 6:55

I came to your show, bro.

Speaker 1: 6:58

I'm a fan. He was in there he was in there.

Speaker 2: 7:00

I'm a fan. I'm a fan. Yeah, man, we definitely had to write code. I had to figure out, hey man, how you get that on your background. Wow yeah, he said no, you got to underscore. Underscore greater than ain't no top three man people used to be mad when you was in the top. I was going through something I called you and asked my sister was on the internet. So you going to knock me down. So I'm top eight. Now for real.

Speaker 1: 7:23

Look, and then you had the flip phone, so she was mad Like man you got to hear me.

Speaker 2: 7:29

Oh, you had the flip joint, the flip phone. It's all about you with the flip phone Shout out to T-Mobile Razor T-Mobile.

Speaker 1: 7:35

Shout out to.

Speaker 2: 7:37

Alltel, y'all remember Alltel, alltel. That was my first phone at the Alltel joint. Yeah, at the Alltel that is crazy man my first phone was the Sprint Nextel it came out with the military joints.

Speaker 2: 7:50

The church yeah, I had those man, the little military joints. It was the flip too. It was the flip. Okay, I couldn't afford the $100 plan at this time I don't think it was out but I had, like you could chirp all day for like a dollar and you'd just be chirping all day and you can get caught up, oh for sure you with somebody. Hey, what's up boy when you at? Oh shit, come on. T quit playing. What's up, Grandma? I'm grandma, baby.

Speaker 1: 8:15

Grandma chirping you.

Speaker 2: 8:16

Your grandma got a chirp Chirping you from the house phone. No, she chirping me from her life alert. Help me.

Speaker 1: 8:24

She crazy. Hey then.

Speaker 2: 8:25

She crazy man that's hilarious hey well, listen, let's get into it, man. Permission to speak freely. Once again, thank y'all for listening One more time and let's do what Chairman said. Man, let's start with a prayer. Let's start with a prayer. If y'all don't mind, can I open? Rodney, you closed, for sure, for sure, absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. Man Lay low the most.

Speaker 1: 8:46

Yes, Take us away.

Speaker 2: 8:47

Let them use you, let's take it home. Lord Jesus, thank you for bringing us here one more time to celebrate life once again, to celebrate each other as black men Once again. Lord, thank you for our listeners, Thank you for the talents and the gifts that you've given us. Thank you for everything. God, we know what you provide and we know we wouldn't be here without you having this platform and having opportunities to share our thoughts weekly, the way we do, as therapeutic as it is. We give you all the credit, all the glory, all the thanks and all the praise In Jesus' name amen.

Speaker 1: 9:41

Amen Permission to speak. Permission to speak.

Speaker 2: 9:44

Let's go. So let's get it popping. Freedom Speakers. It's not often. It's not often that we have a guest in the building, but we do today, we do today, we do, we do today. Today with us we have, uh, a representative from the god man podcast. Without further ado, we got rodney d adamson, the second, with us today. Y'all give him a hand, hey man appreciate, appreciate, thank you.

Speaker 1: 10:15

Thank you so much for having me, man. No, for sure, for sure. Thanks for coming, hey, no? Problem like I said, I love what y'all do. I love what y'all, representing the message you're trying to do for for men to speak freely. So that's dope, that's amazing. I'm glad to be part of y'all podcast I appreciate that, man.

Speaker 2: 10:28

I'm gonna work on my intro intro game. The next time you come I'm gonna have to have it, it's going to be polished. You ain't take it back earlier. No, we did great, man, so tell us about yourself, man. What brings you?

Speaker 1: 10:43

here. Man, wow, that's a lot. Well, right now I'm definitely in a production right now. For those who don't know, my name is Ronnie D Adams II, born and raised in Cleveland, ohio.

Speaker 1: 10:54

Born and raised for all my life, pretty much um oldest of six, raised up by a mother and father um just a man with a passion for storytelling. Um, solid like anybody who knows me. I'm like how we talked before. I'm a big movie guy. Like I grew up watching eddie murphy, um Robin Williams, mr Doubtfire, like pretty much like comedy, pretty much because like TV was my my babysitter. Like I was I was I was that kid where, like, if you just put him in front of a TV, he's okay, he's dope. Like I remember at the age of two, my auntie's still telling the story till this day, like I could, literally this was back. I'm telling all my age right now, back with VHS tapes. Oh man, I could put a tape in at the age of two. I could put a tape in, play it. If it ends, I would rewind it Until it stopped, I'll play it back again. Oh yeah, you knew what you were doing.

Speaker 1: 11:46

I knew what I was doing so for me like storytelling and filmmaking and acting. That was really ingrained into me. So ever since the young age of that, I knew I was gifted to act, to storytell, to film, make, um. But then over time God did what he does no, going through trials and errors and mishaps, heartbreaks, and good times and bad times, I found the lane he wants me to go in when it comes to filmmaking. And you know that's where I'm at right now doing my journey of filmmaking and acting and ministry as well.

Speaker 2: 12:15

All right, for sure, for sure. What catapulted you into that field? Like, what was that first thing or that first moment that said you know what? This is what I want to do. I want to go into acting.

Speaker 1: 12:26

I mean honestly, it's the fact that I don't like doing a nine to five for sure. Like, of course you know, as an entrepreneur in heart, you know I'm rebellious. Like I don't like being told what to do, I hate clocking in, I hate being on someone else's time, I'm like I don't find fulfillment in this. But then I also knew what I was good at. Um, I knew I was good at it when I was I was doing film class in at tri and then we had to write like a five-page, ten-page story. If you were shooting a film, what would be the first ten pages of this? Then I just had this idea of it was like a dad not being happy with his life. So he has a dead-end job, he's not happy with it, he gets belittled, he goes home, he's not happy with his wife or kids.

Speaker 2: 13:16

I was about to say wife tripping, he's like he's phased.

Speaker 1: 13:20

Now, you good no and that's really how it is is he gets phased out. So his wife be complaining at him. He's on his phone scrolling through like instagram. He's hearting a woman who he finds interested in. And so once my teacher read that he was like, like writing this is really good. Like you wrote this. I say like, yeah, this is a real story.

Speaker 1: 13:39

And for me, not having no, um, that was my first writing class ever, like I never written anything before that time. So that's when I knew I had a niche to do something. And then, moving forward, I had I want to do um like sketches on YouTube, like back when it's popular. So, um, I did a series called elena rodney tv where, um, you can find out on youtube, it's elena and rodney tv where I've written, directed um, edited sketches, uh, for me and a co-worker um co-worker, um, elena bradley. But we did like sketches. We got like 10, 11 sketches on there and me editing um, this is like really like telling, like the underdog of, like not having nothing but this word, like in the bible it says like faith of a mustard seed, whereas, like anybody who who knows me, I don't have a car, I don't drive, but I knew I had this passion within me so I used to go to try to see, to edit the videos that me and her did, like it opened up, like at the libraries, like at nine o'clock in the morning, I would go there, edit.

Speaker 1: 14:38

Do I gotta do get on the bus to go back to the east side? Because this is back when I went to the tricee that was on the east campus. So I used to go all the way back there. That was like an hour, that was like an hour bus drive. I'm working at a dietary home at this time and we I clocked at four, I still edit go all the way back to do that. But I knew I had a passion for it. That's commitment. It's commitment. It shows like when, like I said, how the Bible says, your gift will make, make room for you, I knew I had the gift to act. That's what I want to do, is what I'm good at. Like you know, we got to put on plays like kindergarten, preschool, for sure I remember we did the three little bears.

Speaker 1: 15:14

We did three little bears so of course you know they made me like the little bears. So every time something happened where like hey, someone's been eating in my bed, someone's been sleeping in my bed, someone's been eating out my porridge, I remember I would say the very last line of what did happen and then I would improv like a cry. I'm like like, ate my porridge. It was all all gone when and they was like this guy is something, and I just knew that's what I wanted to to do, because I got these stories, characters in my head even, like how you say, when we do the, the tales of like stories like from movies, that's naturally in me, like it's. So that's how I knew that's what I wanted to do.

Speaker 2: 15:51

The show hey, you are a very interesting man. Yeah, that's the heart of a creative. It seems like you mentioned. You, uh, are god-fearing man as well, and quoting the bible just in your comment conversation, bro, just shows that you. You crack that book open, man, and god is navigating you in different places. Man, I can uh. Ladies and gentlemen, if you have never seen rodney, he has an aura around him. You can see glow. You know, I'm saying he look like 80s eddie murphy. Glow, like that nigga though, like he, that guy, man, the honorable the honorable man I think that's a dope story, man.

Speaker 2: 16:29

So, um, are you working on any projects and anything now at this time?

Speaker 1: 16:34

for sure, for sure. Um, the one I'm definitely in right now. Definitely, I'm in a play. It's called people, always talking about church folks. Um honestly hands down all my years of acting, being plays and films productions. This is the most passionate project I'm talking, I'm being a part of um not only like it's a faith base, but it's. It talks about real stuff so for sure, I'm working on that right now.

Speaker 1: 16:58

No, the play is December 21st, so y'all can copy our tickets. You can DM me. You can follow me at itsalwaysrodney R-D-N-Y at the end, or you can follow the website on the social media. On Instagram, it's churchfolks underscore play. You can Instagram me for that as well, but that's where I'm doing right now, but also for my own projects. I got a few more projects I'm working on right now. Um, I'm trying to be like tyler perry and I'm want to do more ownership. For sure, you know, like say no, like I'm creating these stories. I might as well make the profit off of it.

Speaker 2: 17:31

So you know, this is true, you know like.

Speaker 1: 17:33

I think that's where a lot of people mess up at they have the creative part but they don't have the business part. That's where most people end up getting in these bad situations. As actors, musicians or whatever. You're in a mess of contracts, become a starving artist.

Speaker 2: 17:46

You become a starving artist. You stay a starving artist For sure man. This is true, it's's like you were starving Before you got there. That's why you Took on the probably the worst deal. You didn't know, because it sounds good, yeah. And then, like you said, once you understand the business, you're like hey, it was getting me.

Speaker 1: 18:04

For sure it was getting me man.

Speaker 2: 18:06

And I promote ownership man, so I like to unpack Just for a second the name of that play man. That's a very creative name of the play. Can you tell the people again what's the name of?

Speaker 1: 18:14

the play.

Speaker 2: 18:14

For sure it's um people always talking about church folks, um always, always talk to you, tell them what they be saying about us. For sure you know what I'm glad you were saying about us honestly I mean honestly the.

Speaker 1: 18:31

The one where I can say is like hypocrites, that's like if, like, once you go, go to the, I said like how I told you before behind the scenes, I got both of you two, like two tickets for the play.

Speaker 2: 18:40

Thank you, man no problem.

Speaker 1: 18:42

Thank you, like, the main word is hypocrites. If I could put it into words, it's just like it's just a story about revealing that let's just hindsight all of us are church folks. No, whether you're a bishop, you're a deacon, you're a son, you're a missionary, you're a steward, you're a crackhead, you're a drug dealer, you're a lawyer, and these are all real characters in the play that I'm mentioning. Okay, like, a lot of things get uncovered up, but people think church folks are only just people in the church. No, just because you know we do claim the name of jesus and they put it on the front street, it doesn't mean the other person is not a church folk as well. You know, like it definitely appears a lot of layers. Like I said, in this story there's, um, there's truth that gets unlayered. Um, I said there's, you know, there's violence, there's guns, there's drugs involved, there's um, lies, deceit, cheating, abuse. That's happening in the story and like, like I said, this is the most impactful story I've been a part of, just because it's. I'm all about truth in storytelling. So for me, I choose a project based off of. Am I going to be proud that I'm in this project? Like, is this something that I can say, hey, I was a part of it. No, not just to be a part of.

Speaker 1: 19:55

So, um, no, the director is Leda Eva Sims. Um, I've been working with her for like years. Like my very first time ever doing a play was with her, um, in 2019, where, um, she did a play called um, like the prophecy revealed, like, just like stories about Jesus coming into um, into the world, to die for our sins, things of that nature. So, basically, like christmas plays. This is the first time she's done a play that was um, her own narrative. Okay, so in my life, she told me about this play. Like two years ago. She said, rodney, I wrote this play. It's called church folks. So she changed the title since then, but it was called church folks. Now I don't know how people are going to feel about this, but this is something I feel like God is leading me towards. Do I'm like? Hey, I'm on your side. So, whatever you say, I'm with it Because, like, it's something that needs to be heard, like you know, not only just for the people who's in the church, but for people who's outside of the church, because I can Like those.

Speaker 1: 20:59

Kirk Franklin said one time we got too many people who are trying to be doctors but they're really the patient. Hey, that's a really dope quote. You got many people who was trying to heal people. You got many people who's trying to say you shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that. Or hey, your shirt, your skirt is too high, hey, you need to be wearing a suit and a tie, and blah, blah, blah. But we're to say you're supposed to be doing that, that's not your job. That's why many people in the church they don't want to come because they getting ridiculed. They're getting like chastised. They're saying what you're doing is wrong. You know, the bible says like no, don't judge or you'll be judged. You're judging people based off of where you come in. That's why I love my pastor. Shout out to Pastor K Reid Roger K Reid, roger K Reid, he doesn't care if you smite weed when you come in. He doesn't care if you.

Speaker 2: 21:38

I'm going to this church. I'm going to this church. You're good church.

Speaker 1: 21:42

Shout out to your pastor one more time.

Speaker 2: 21:43

What's his name? What's the pastor's?

Speaker 1: 21:45

name Pastor Roger K Reid at Lee Memorial AME Church. Shout out to you hey man, I used you said Reed Reed, so so that's actually which Reed is. So it's actually his nephew. Now. Okay, yeah, so yeah, but trust me, he can preach Like Wesley I. He still comes in every now and then Like that's his uncle.

Speaker 2: 22:05

I'ma test his faith.

Speaker 1: 22:11

I'ma come in said he don't care. He's really a person who's like.

Speaker 2: 22:15

Come as you are, come as you are, he don't care.

Speaker 1: 22:17

Like he don't care Cause he knows God will work on you. That's not what a man or woman is supposed to do In the church. Now, I'm big on exposure, like what you mean, like I cannot know nothing, but if I'm around people who's doing something different, I'm going to take on certain habits that you're doing.

Speaker 1: 22:37

So, it's like, over time, we spend more time with people who are doing God's work the right way. I'm saying specifically the right way. God's going to lead you to do what you're supposed to do. So don't get chastised by Someone in the church who's like, oh, you should be doing this or you should be doing that. This play is going to unveil everything that people who's been hurt by the church and people who's in the church doing it. They're going to get conviction. You know that conviction is that you feel like, oh wow, I do that Hold up what's going on he talking to me, he talking to what the play's about.

Speaker 1: 23:10

I'm excited, hey.

Speaker 2: 23:11

I'm excited too, man. I want to go see what this talking about.

Speaker 1: 23:14

Can I bring?

Speaker 2: 23:15

popcorn and stuff. Will there be refreshments there?

Speaker 1: 23:18

I'll ask the director about that.

Speaker 1: 23:20

I'll do it but, like for my character, let me talk about my character. So I play Ray Cox, so I play the son in the show. So Ray is definitely like any type of 19 to 20 year old hard-headed um wanting to, you know, have a different life. I want to say, like you know, like the story is about, like me and my mom were getting out of an abusive relationship she was in. So we end up going to new york with um, an old love interest of hers. So ray gets um exposed, exposed to the New York life, wants to see what's going on.

Speaker 1: 23:56

This and the third, and he actually was thinking about joining a gang. So you know, you're talking about this guy who, from a Christian background and he's, you know, he's losing faith in God because he feel like, you know, god doesn't love me because I was in, make my own moves, make my own plays, because this seems more attractive to me. So, like I said, so my character is pretty much about that. I think about, like you know, you know, like you have, like a mother or grandmother, like you know they know, their grandson or child not doing right but god still covering him while he's out there in the streets, them prayers reach far.

Speaker 2: 24:28

Man god, still answering my grandmama's prayers, I'm telling you, man, prayers don't expire.

Speaker 2: 24:32

So, like I said, I'm, I'm that guy, I'm the, I'm the son in that, so hey and it sounds just like your character has already some development into him and you being identifying with, like what, being an artist, right, for sure that you get to take on this script and embody what this person is and you have to grasp a part of yourself to even connect with what this character is, because art emulates life, for sure. So being able to really grasp and take that character on and make people believe like he really mad, and take them out of that experience that they're watching entertainment, yeah, and they really get absorbed like I'm a big movie person but I gotta man, my ADHD made me see plots and shit I was like oh man, this is bullshit.

Speaker 2: 25:19

I don't watch this. I don't watch this. But when something is suspenseful and it keeps you on the edge of your seat and it is a dose into reality that you can find a piece of yourself For sure.

Speaker 2: 25:31

Even if they're like hey, the love man, you texting somebody you shouldn't even be texting. I'd have been that guy. I love your character, man. I'm very excited to go to the show, man, and thank you again for coming on the show, permission to Speak Freely, podcast and giving myself and Laylo man two tickets. Man, are they front row? They can be. Yeah, man, we tickets. Man, are they front?

Speaker 1: 25:55

row. They can be. Yeah, man, we in the building. Look, I'll say this the Lord blessing you. Man, you can bless us.

Speaker 2: 26:00

And look.

Speaker 1: 26:01

I'll say this Just come early, because them parking spots are going to be filled up.

Speaker 2: 26:04

Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure, but like I said.

Speaker 1: 26:07

Just say you're with Rodney. Hopefully I popcorn or y'all got wine in the church for chameleon knowledge you get to lose my ones in it. That ain't wine. No more man, that's juicy juice right there for real, for real, no man.

Speaker 2: 26:23

So, as far as your acting, though, like what? What do you pull from, if anything at all? What do you pull from, say, when you putting yourself into these characters? Like, do you have to find when you're choosing a character? You know what this is the role for me. Is this something you need to say? Hey, you know what. There's something, some experience I went through in my life that I can pull from to do the best job I can for this character, you know.

Speaker 1: 26:47

Yeah for sure. The first thing about me is like this is like where my this is, like where my this is gonna sound crazy. But this is where, like, where my ignorance comes into play is like I'm always ready to go for a role like how we talked, how we talked about before. Like you know, we use that as an escaping work. I love acting. I don't care if I gotta play a crackhead, butt naked on the corner. I wanna play that role cause I just love the role so much. But I know you can't, wow, you can't say yes to everything so I do have to.

Speaker 1: 27:16

I do have to pray to god and say, hey, is this what you want me to do? And if he does say, say yes. So when it comes to the role, it just I think about what's the purpose of the story, because I say I'm, I'm just a piece in the chess move, but what's the whole story? To make someone have that revelation or that um reminder, there's something I connect to with this story. So I look at what's the whole story and how can I bring it to life. So, with like, simply with the character ray, like I mentioned before, like you have a lot of kids out here who, um, who have dreams and aspirations, but someone told them they can't do it and that's something that what happens with ray like his, his um stepfather tells him like he has dreams of being being a lawyer.

Speaker 1: 27:57

But it's not even a stepfather, it's his mom's boyfriend. He says, like, you can't do that, you can't do that, no, god, god doesn't love you. And he ends up. And he ends up believing that and he says, okay, I might as well let me hit these streets and like, but that festers into him, though. So for me there's a lot of kids and parents who mean the audience, who say, hey, my parents is in the drug life like, for example. Like my um, my director in the play. She has a son who's part of that that life. Like, like, because he's supposed to be in the play, but then something happened.

Speaker 1: 28:26

He's, he's really he's in there, he's in there, like I remember he was speaking one time and like because the role that he was playing, it was like it was a game person, and so my other like work person. I was working with my other actor. He was like I can tell he do this for real. He said I've been around people, I'm not in it, but he for real though yeah, for real.

Speaker 2: 28:45

So yeah.

Speaker 1: 28:46

So when I'm looking for a character, I'm just making sure number one like how's it? Also like is it gonna challenge me? Cause you know, as you know, we all seen actors who played the same role all the time and it's like, okay, cool, I don't wanna typecast type yeah the Rock, what do they call it?

Speaker 2: 29:01

yeah, the Rock, what do they call it? They call it something when you get pigeonholed into a character, oh, a typecast. Yeah, a type, yeah, a typecat that about when he first got in. Yeah, you want to keep playing the same. Yeah, rosie perez was talking about that. I watched the interview with her. She was talking about that especially for me.

Speaker 1: 29:17

Like I said, coming from from the comedy background, I said I love comedy, like I can make something funny instantly. Look like that. But I just like now I'm diving more into drama to see if, um, if can I, can I do it okay and like in what I've been seeing so far, with the results.

Speaker 1: 29:31

I said I did a short film um called three, three percent. That's my first time writing something that was drama based and it got good reviews. It was good and so okay, I know I'm gifted now because I'm not just comfortable in this one lane yeah so I think about is it challenging me?

Speaker 1: 29:47

what's the story of it? And also just um, also, I know it's going to teach me something, because you know, for me, acting is therapy. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Because you know you get to me something. Cause you know, for me, acting is therapy yeah, yeah, for sure. Cause you know you get to tap into emotions that you know, like we can speak freely, men are not allowed to express that emotions, or at least culture says that. We were just talking about that.

Speaker 2: 30:05

So no culture says that.

Speaker 1: 30:06

Hey, hey, a man can't cry to toughen up shit though. Take, take, take it to the chin. Me acting, in me acting gets that revolution of me able to express, able to cry, able to do whatever I want to do and, um, it's dope.

Speaker 2: 30:20

Yeah, man, I I heard uh terrence howard shout out to terrence howard, cleveland native. What's up, man, he has? He has said that there's no consequence in acting. You can, you can play out what, what you want to do. If you want to be a murderer in a film, you can be a murderer and there's no consequence for your action. This is how people can get stuck in roles. You know what I mean. Like, hey, this person, just Tupac, got stuck as Bishop, as they say.

Speaker 2: 30:47

You know what I'm saying, Like hey, you can get stuck in these characters. Or Jamie Foxx, mentioning when he played in the soloist. He had to kind of it was another movie, but don't quote me 100, but he had to kind of alienate himself kind of regroup, reconnect, soloist it was the soloist.

Speaker 2: 31:43

Yeah, that's that, that's real, that's every real yeah so, as a, as a person, I used to have a lot of art. Uh, I'm a creative by nature, you are for sure, um, and I wanted to do acting as well, and I identify with your character if somebody, just you know they're speaking their negative views upon you, knocking the light out of you, trying trying to, but sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but sometimes you do get disconnected, like you know. So, just seeing in the depth of your character and how you choose your character, I'm excited as a person who loves art, who loves theater, who loves, like the raw I used to go to rainey's institute on 55th and uh, but it was a corner at our street.

Speaker 2: 32:25

Shout out to rainey's. Shout out to the caramu house caramu.

Speaker 1: 32:29

Yeah, yeah, I volunteer there. I volunteered there now um, well, kind of I've been kind of acting more, but in the beginning of wearing so to go like this, like more, like how I say the elena writing tv thing, like me, it's like I wanted to act. But how do I start? What do I do?

Speaker 2: 32:44

yeah, when I wanted to interject, um, shout out to the playhouse square. Shout out to playhouse square. I had got, uh, an audition for the Little Shopper Whore for Tree no 2. Come on now. We had to go to school and either audition for the play and get an A or just show up as an usher yeah, like as an usher, and you would have got just like a B. Shout out to Miss Gibson from East High School class of 2006, where I graduated. Come on now.

Speaker 2: 33:11

I was supposed to be five, but I liked school so much I went back Ain't nothing wrong with that. I went back. I like school so much, but that was the grade and I remember her having us read the book Fences.

Speaker 2: 33:23

Oh man, she's like you sound and you built like the dad and all that. But I'm like, hey, man, I read real good in my head. I don't read real good out loud 16, 17, you know yourself. I know myself. Like, let me read this by myself for a day or two. I'll come back here. I don't even need the book, I'm going off script any passion, because I like you because, but I, I, I vibe with the character, the character development.

Speaker 2: 33:49

I love to see how, um, it progresses, the story progressed and it isn't this person just stuck here, but they're getting to see the character hit with reality, day-to-day things that people really identify with man. So it brings me to this. I have a question. Yeah, this play is faith-based. Right is Do you feel the world has lost a level of faith?

Speaker 1: 34:18

Take your time. I think people have faith, but not faith in Jesus Like majority. No, we all have faith in something, but it's like what is the source of your faith? Like one of my favorite preachers. He said, for example the chairs are where we were sitting in. Do we ever stop to think, if I sit in this chair, will it break if I sit to sit in? No, I have faith to believe this chair is going to be. It's going to make sure I'm good.

Speaker 2: 34:41

Yeah, but not testing out the chair to me. Let me I'm like, hold up. I ain't never sat in this chair before. Let me make sure what's going on hold up.

Speaker 1: 34:48

Hold this feel like a screw loose, hold up what's going on. But then it's like you gotta realize, like you know, we can't let our. We gotta remember who we put our faith in and like who's sovereign, who was nice and who gives us grace and mercy every day, even though we don't deserve it, um, which is I'm not bashing anybody who doesn't like it's. It's easy to forget because we got stress in this world, we got bills, we got relationships, we got cars, we got kids, like all that, just in our mental, like that's. That's enough for me to, like you, sit at the end of my bed in the morning like I got another day. Um, but we do got to remember that you know, like we do have a savior who died on the cross for our sins, even though we don't, even though we may not acknowledge him. I think that that's the best thing where it's like you know, jesus died for us, just for a chance of us to get to know him. So do you say?

Speaker 1: 35:40

I'm gonna take these lashings, even though you may not accept me. Yeah, I'm still gonna do it. That's the most gangster thing I ever like heard, like once I got the revelation like hold up. So even for people who may not want to, may not want to follow you, you're still gonna do it for them, though, like that's dope, that's for sure.

Speaker 2: 35:57

That's amazing I'll tell you right now I ain't gonna do it. I wouldn't.

Speaker 1: 36:01

I'm like what you know, I feel like I get whipped, slashed on, spit on and stabbed.

Speaker 2: 36:08

Nails through my hands.

Speaker 1: 36:09

Look, I don't like Getting a dang paper cut, let alone getting nails Through my hands. For them. I don't even like you. They don't even like me For them.

Speaker 2: 36:16

For them, keep in mind For them that you know Are going to screw up For sure. First they love you, then they hate you. First they love you, then they hate you. Yeah, then they love you again. Ain't that crazy? But that's just that's. That's the, that's the up and down. That if you can look at that and just say a vague way yeah, you know vague we're like hey, that's just the up and down of life, that's the up and down of relationships with people.

Speaker 2: 36:40

Definitely, they is all good till it ain't good. You know, and as a person who I know, I I'll be lying if I say I steer, I steered away from faith ever, ever, ever. God has always covered me. God has always favored me. God is, is god his son? And then it's me, it's god. So I'm right over here, like right over here, but I'm up there, I'm anointed, bro, I'm an'm anointed and it's fearful. When you are anointed and when you believe man, you become a vessel through who you are. As long as you stay origin into who you are, okay For sure as a person who is put into a box of like, you won't grow up. I'm like my guy. He just ain't got no age. Well, he died at 33, but he forever right. My guy who he only worked for 7 days, who built all her lists. So you know, he taking a break. I can take a break, my guy took a break, right.

Speaker 1: 37:35

He rested on the 7th day he rested so it means, if he rests.

Speaker 2: 37:38

I know I can rest if the man who invented it all take a break. I deserve a break. I can go to sleep. Yeah, I can go to sleep, but it's one of them, man, like I'm a comedian person For sure. I believe that Jesus went through life carefree, happy. He kicked it with the hoes and the thugs. He kicked it with people who needed saving. For sure More than people who already knew him Exactly.

Speaker 1: 38:05

You. He kicked the people who needed saving, for sure More than people who already knew him Exactly.

Speaker 2: 38:06

You feel me so that's why, as a person who You're for the lost sheep of Israel.

Speaker 2: 38:08

For sure, exactly For sure so for those who are saved or for those who do believe, where we just hey, we could just be messengers Passing along the message ourself Just like hey, man, god do love, you dude, god do this and when you moving through them, actions. But when you moving, god will set things up or put people in your place, exactly. So I'm going to tell you a story man, go ahead, where I got to have a personal relationship with God and I call God by many names, man, I call God by many names Jesus, jehovah, buddha, allah, whatever. So when I say prayers, I'd be like whatever God at work today, whatever God at work today, okay, whatever God, get this message. What time is it?

Speaker 1: 38:46

730. Yeah, but I'll be like bruh, I'll be like dear God whatever one of y'all at work today I know it's third shift- nothing changes shifts.

Speaker 2: 38:52

I know what bruh is when you dive into it. I believe in Jesus, I believe in that, but when you dive into it, it is, it is multiple gods, and who's to say that somebody isn't correct? So this is why I look at it like, hey, these are just different styles to get us all to the same place. Just like martial artists, you trying to kick ass, right? So it don't matter what style you use, you want to win. So if I want to get to heaven and I'm using this style, yeah, this is okay, this is what I believe in.

Speaker 2: 39:19

It's been working you're just saying jesus, weekend work yeah, so it's like prayed to God, somebody got the message and shit came through. You know what I'm saying, but I look at it like that because my knees have bent for many God, but I do call on Jesus as the root of like amen. That's where I come from. That's where the Baptist, that's where I'm singing in the little church in the basement Eating donuts and cookies. Come on, big ass baptized tub People washing up in there.

Speaker 1: 39:44

They're like no, they getting baptized, that church punch.

Speaker 2: 39:47

Man that syrup.

Speaker 1: 39:49

Look, I was talking to someone the other day. I was like that church punch.

Speaker 2: 39:51

We was like, oh my God that church punch, I swear man, I remember going into and I'm going to say this I remember going into the church pews, I mean going to the church doors, and we would open the doors and it would just be, you would get punched with cologne perfume, a little dash of weed, A little bit of weed.

Speaker 1: 40:17

In fact, let Lo say a little bit, A little bit of weed.

Speaker 2: 40:21

Hey, gotta have some gangsters in the church, hey man gangsters believe like a mother. For sure. So that's why I want to see the play Like hey man, everybody got a connection to God, even though you might try to mute him, turn him down.

Speaker 1: 40:34

You ain't cut him off. You can't cut him off. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 40:37

So you know, get me preaching here today bro, you ready to talk the? Highest. Come on now. The highest, but no, so I remember that that's a nostalgic moment to me. Going into the church, you open them doors, you see them pews and you just smell red diamond, no, white diamond, white diamond perfume. I think it was Red Door, elias Claiborne or Elizabeth Taylor perfume. Yeah, man you smelling Jakar and Lagerfield Cologne.

Speaker 1: 41:03

You take me back right now. Taylor Perfume yeah, man you smelling. Jakar and Lagerfield Cologne. You take me back right now, Issey Miyake.

Speaker 2: 41:07

They say a little bit of weed. That's when they brought the Kush to Cleveland. Musicians yeah, yeah, man, but I remember that, so church always take me back there. You hear the band setting up. They tone in. You hear the little drums, Pop, pop. Everybody said hey, how you doing School over Grandma. I mean my grandma giving us a Sorry God. My grandma used to give us money to put in the collection plate.

Speaker 1: 41:30

Oh yeah, I didn't put it in.

Speaker 2: 41:32

Hey, what a man Rob got. I know I did. I know I did. I wanted to flavor hot Cheetos.

Speaker 1: 41:38

It was too many corner stores by the church. Like we're going to run over and get some peanut M&M's, get some.

Speaker 2: 41:43

Starbursts After this we on.

Speaker 2: 41:44

Yeah, man. So at this point in time in my life, man, I was very low. I was very low For sure. I'm living in my car and I was sleeping in my car behind Lowe's Home Improvement out in Willoughby Was that Willoughby Wycliffe, off of like Vine Street? I think it was over there? Yeah, or I would sleep behind um in the 24-hour walmart. That was like right across the bridge and it was just a place in my life, man. I'm reading the bible in my car. I'm praying to god so hard, squeezing my eyes so tight. I think the harder you squeeze your eyes, the harder you think you're praying just god hear me turn the speakers up.

Speaker 2: 42:22

But at that time, and I'm I'm reading the Bible and I'm like man, I'm praying for God to like take me from this place that I'm in I'm like I'm waiting, I'm waiting for my, I close my eyes and I wake up and I'm where I'm supposed to be and I'm like that's, I'm waiting for God to save me. But it's like I'm waiting for God to save me and I said it again slowly, like I am waiting for God to save me. I'm just waiting. I'm a lethal motherfucker, but just a. I'm waiting and nothing has happened. A moment of reflection to myself of I'm waiting for this person or this being to do something for me and it's like, nah, you want me to move the world for you. Right, get to moving in the world. So, as I start moving in the world, I wasn't just moving in the world, I wasn't just crying in the back seat of my car. Just, god, help me please. God, I pray so hard, yeah, but no, I started to find a confidence that's right.

Speaker 1: 43:35

So that's right. Faith without work is dead. I was thinking the same. I was thinking the same. That's why you want to answer my messages.

Speaker 2: 43:41

You know I'm saying I wasn't working, so it was just like you know, voicemail once I see him in traffic. I know he working, yeah, but as I got to move in the world, god don't move me. Pick me up on my shoulders and move me in the world. God moves the world for me like this, as I get to move and navigate. He just navigates things around. For sure. I can't. I'm gonna keep you away from these people, even though you want to connect with them it's not good for you it's gonna it's gonna, it's gonna bring you down they're

Speaker 2: 44:09

not meant to go where you are trying to go, because if they was, you would see them in the intersection. Y'all will be applying at the same place. You're doing the same thing. You can't enable that. It this. So just just learning that and seeing that and and taking myself from that place like I gotta put my own work in. I can't wait for god or man to give me anything. I already remember I'm already not worthy, right? Yeah, so if I gotta put the work in to just even show like hey, I'm dedicated to you, god, that I believe in you, yeah, I gotta get the fucking moving yeah, I gotta get the move, and my God cuss okay, my God have been in all things right, so listen.

Speaker 2: 44:49

But I'll even say this like you know, I met like God doesn't necessarily work, cause like hey, god, this is what I want you to do. It's the other way around where God goes. Hey, no, this is what I want you to do. You know what I'm saying. God speaks to us, not the other way around, and God has a way of honestly making you a little uncomfortable, to get you to move in the way that he wants you to move. If you feel like the world is against you, you feel like you're not getting the things you feel like you deserve, perhaps you ain't moving in the way God wants you to move. Sure, give him a try. Like you said, open that book and start flipping through and pull something from that. You know what I mean. That's something I've been doing just in my faith journey. Like we mentioned, I rejoined the church. A different church man, my cousin. Shout out to Pastor Estelle, pastor Twyman, all the ministers at Blessed Hope Missionary Baptist Church. Shout out, shout out, shout out 88-0-4, Buckeye Road, Cleveland, Ohio.

Speaker 1: 45:49

You know the address. Go ahead, hey man. They sent him here.

Speaker 2: 45:52

They sent him here.

Speaker 1: 45:53

But shout out to everybody.

Speaker 2: 45:55

So my cousin, late last year I'll tell you earlier this year, I believe it was January or February 2024 was elected pastor of Blessed Hope.

Speaker 1: 46:06

Okay.

Speaker 2: 46:08

And I was so proud of him. I remember watching the entire service on YouTube, my phone. The service was so long it took me like two and a half days to watch it. You know what I'm saying. It'd be like that, yeah. So I sent him a video message like yo, cuz I'm proud of you, man, so happy. So what? I yo cuz I'm proud of you, man, so happy. So what? I said hey, I'll see you soon. I said I'll see you soon and it took me like two Sundays because I want to go see cuz preach. You know what I mean. Now, when I went, I didn't go to church with the intention of coming back next Sunday and next Sunday and next Sunday.

Speaker 2: 46:48

And hey, throw a Bible study in there. I'm going up there buying fish. It was around Easter. You know what I'm saying. If you sell me that man, you done got you with the dinner Real till they got me man.

Speaker 1: 46:57

You know it's something I like to eat.

Speaker 2: 46:59

Yeah, for sure, and I'm up there, I'm congregating with everybody and shout out to the Kitchen ministry as well. Sister Chapman, shout out to Deacon Dooney, to everybody down there. Man who really embraced me For sure and really kind of honed me in, that was God. God got me with that fish. I'm going to sprinkle some fish on him. He's going to start coming. I was like Well you know they had Jesus on the back of people's cars Was a fish right.

Speaker 1: 47:22

Yeah, on the back of people's cars was a fish, right? Yeah, see, they did put a little parsley on that fish. Fish is important, you're right. You're right.

Speaker 2: 47:28

But no man, and you know it kind of happened where I joined. I was moved. Man, Reverend Hardrick preached that day and he was talking about keeping it real. Wow, and I was at a church. It was about four or five Sundays in a row. Wow, and this high I describe it because I sit up in the balcony and I describe it as like getting punched in the mouth. Just about all of them pastors who preach. It was like a different pastor every Sunday at this point. Man, Reverend Williams preached, my cousin Tyler preached, Reverend Hardrick preached, Reverend Maxwell preached and I'm getting Pastor Twyman preach. Shout out to Pastor Twyman and I'm sitting there getting punched in the mouth. That's good, Almost sitting in the church like feeling shame. Man, they talking to me but that didn't deter me and say man, I ain't going back. It was kind of like let me go get hit one more time.

Speaker 1: 48:23

Yeah, let me go get hit one more time.

Speaker 2: 48:24

Let me go get hit One more time. You gotta accept that. That's the accountability. You gotta be willing to sit in your shit sometime. But in doing that I was moved and I surrendered and said, okay, god, I hear you, I feel you, let me take this step. Even the Sunday morning when I joined, because in my mind I hear you, yeah, I hear you, I feel you, let me take this step, let me take the. Even the Sunday morning when I joined, because in my mind what I was going to do, you know it's around springtime at this point, late winter springtime. And so I go hey, I'm going to join around my birthday I'll be 33.

Speaker 1: 48:57

Okay, it's perfect. Jesus, jesus, jesus Jesus.

Speaker 2: 49:01

But what God say? Oh, you think you about to wait six, seven months till your birthday. He said come here, Boy, come on up here. And it's like hey, here we go For sure. And now, here we are, man. Right, here we are, god is most definitely a beautiful thing, man, but you hit on something, and I think that this is a big thing when it comes to us as humans, regardless of what knee bow for whatever God we pray to, I think the part of surrendering that's.

Speaker 1: 49:30

OK.

Speaker 2: 49:31

So, as you mentioned, I surrendered myself. I wasn't fighting against myself, I took myself into the current of what was going on, compared to fighting against it and knowing it's a tough fight because you, you magnetically being put there, yeah, you want to go there. You know, I'm saying you want to test yourself there and you, as you say, it wasn't like you never had it, it was just turned down a little bit, yeah yeah, I'm saying, that's all I grew up in church.

Speaker 2: 49:57

you know, I grew up in the church, man. Um, I'm talking sunday, monday, wednesday, thursday, choir rehearsal. Right, you know, I'm saying saturday, because we got to go because mommy got choir Walking. Sunday, monday, wednesday, thursday, choir rehearsal. Right, you know what I'm saying? Saturday we got to go because mommy got choir rehearsal, so now we got to go. You know, we just in the Bay, but like legit in church man, shout out to Mount Hermon Baptist Church, which I still consider a, you know, a church home even though they ain't my church home now, you know but that's where I grew up.

Speaker 2: 50:21

I grew up in the church. Shout out to Lee Memorial, lee Memorial, lee Memorial. Yeah, man, we went to Greater Faith. We went to Phi Lima. It was a couple different churches and as a kid man we would this was just me, we would go to like different churches and I thought it was a different God at different church.

Speaker 1: 50:38

I'm like why we don't go back to that church, Like that guy ain't at work today, I like him.

Speaker 2: 50:41

You know what I'm saying. But then, but we would always. We always stayed in the church and then, even when we shifted religions, we shifted from going to a Baptist church, we would go to the Kingdom Hall we'd go to the Kingdom Hall, which is still Christianity which is still under the umbrella of Christianity one say Jehovah, one say Jesus, you gotta sing at both places. But Baptist gospel singers are better singers than Jehovah Witness singers. If you ever went to a Kingdom.

Speaker 1: 51:27

Hall and heard them sing. They be at one level. Yeah, it's one pitch, it's real monotone. It's one pitch monotone. No solo, nobody, solo, no solo.

Speaker 2: 51:35

You got one person who can sing and Monty Terry would go and she could sing but she trying to hold back.

Speaker 1: 51:39

You know what I'm saying, cause she got that soul. Yeah, that's hard, that's hard to do, that's hard to do.

Speaker 2: 51:45

That's hard to do, it's real, like the Pope like how they sing, like you know what I'm saying, it's real like that, yeah, but when we would go in there, I always loved the teachings, like like, I love the way that they taught, I love the way, even at the church how I got to see this. Different styles. Like it is, it's just a different style. These are still people who are anointed, but this is how this person gets their message off compared to the father said do unto others as others yeah, it's a different.

Speaker 2: 52:15

Do unto you it's a different style of preaching and everybody can't preach, that's okay. Everybody can't preach, man, I'm, I'm a big that's true that's true, I know you. I know you mean good.

Speaker 2: 52:27

Yeah, I know you mean good you know, you know some good preaching when you hear it. Man, yeah, and I think the real, some people and that's one of the things, man here, at permission to speak freely, podcast man, we, we base ourselves on speaking freely, being able to give our, our testimony. Man, you ain't gotta be a doctor, indoctrinated, reverend to be able to to give a testimony to somebody, to be able to preach to somebody, to give some info to them, to be able to say, hey, bro, it's more to you, I see this in you, I can do that for you or whatever that, whatever the situation is in the streets, we call them ogs, og for sure, call them ogs or some, or your, or, if you had a little bit more apology, your uncles and aunts, your ancestors, your elders. You know I'm saying, but somebody that was there to still navigate you definitely you know I'm saying on whatever level it may be. So I I believe heavily in a higher power.

Speaker 2: 53:20

I believe in God. I believe in seeing the miracle works that they, that this God performs, okay, that I know mortal man don't got the ingenuity to do as my grandma would say. God says you can't even imagine like you can't even imagine. Blow your mind and I'm like hey, hey, hey, hey, but, rep, like always pulling from that source, always pulling from that source, man, so you coming here today, rodney man, you, you didn't, you didn't anoint it. As I told you people, rodney, get good with rodney, because rodney bought the first 100 seats in heaven. I'm telling you, yeah for sure, just by his good deeds he's been doing, and just hey, man. And for those who don't know, rodney is a childhood friend of the family yeah for sure. Okay, not just me myself. I have my own personal relationship with him, but that's through my younger brother, shout, that's through my younger brother.

Speaker 1: 54:18

Shout out to Tay Keontae yeah, shout out to Keontae man and his new baby coming here.

Speaker 2: 54:21

Hey, we all got a real dope picture together, from where I'm going to have to pull it up. I'm going to have to sit here and try to find it. You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1: 54:32

We was at the bar for Keontae's birthday. Oh I didn't know, Remember I had to get.

Speaker 2: 54:35

I wasn't 21 yet. Yeah, see how the lower Work got in. Baby, you got in. I'm gonna have to do Some dance, but we share Tons of nostalgic Memories, man. If you could Pull a nostalgic Memory that you have From our family man, you've been Around a long time, oh man what, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1: 54:54

There's so many, so many, so many, so many. I don't see like it's probably the story I want to. It's probably like us having to move from your mom's from from 260th now, mind you, like I could always say the parties, the luau's that we had, but for me that's them, luau, that stuck with me specifically because, like it was just like so body stressing like I remember so like so guys.

Speaker 1: 55:23

So his story happened, so his, so his mom was moving from. That was a three-story house, correct on 262 because it was a 260 on two city.

Speaker 2: 55:32

I remember it was. You had the basement, first floor, second floor, so yeah, I forgot, your ass was there too, hey man he's like I had to be there I was yeah I had to be there, if not I'm gonna get cussed out by everybody.

Speaker 1: 55:45

Miss kim's had to be there. So I remember when everybody pitched in like everybody who kiante and kira was cool with, we helped pitch in family and friends, whatnot. So, mind you, like how we said before, um know Moms, I say with most love, she's a Organized hoarder and she was With love.

Speaker 2: 56:04

With love, with love, sprinkling Jesus on it, sprinkling Jesus on it For real.

Speaker 1: 56:08

So us Trying to transition From a big house To a smaller townhouse Was not easy.

Speaker 2: 56:14

Because like, oh, she went over there On brush. Yeah, I'm giving out addresses and shit Saying on brush. Yeah, I'm giving out addresses and shit and we, we broadcast it from cleveland so I remember, like you know, us trying to downsize some stuff.

Speaker 1: 56:25

I remember everybody's trying to convince her to like let go some stuff. Like remember you key, kiera, you usually like my, this is not gonna work, and so she's like no, it's gonna work, it's gonna work, it's gonna work taking a fish tank. You ain't got no fish she tried to take a dresser cabinets and whatnot, and I remember like, like I said before, it was like books of like um, like coloring books with like math questions and whatnot.

Speaker 1: 56:49

You know everybody has like like kids and whatnot. She's like. You know the kids may want to do this one day and someone's like mine are gonna use them. Wait, I think I want to say it was a. You know, crystal Kind of got. Well, both Kiera and Crystal Got no filter to it, but Crystal Got a little bit like Little less More filter, no less filter. Yeah, I was going to say Less filter.

Speaker 1: 57:08

So she was like my mic is going to use that. She was like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Kiera, whoever your name is, they're going to use that. It's going to be worth it for one day. So I remember it started getting late, like late, late. So I remember, like everybody started going home, I got to take this truck back.

Speaker 1: 57:24

Yeah, for sure that be the thing yeah so everybody started going home Because I remember it was Zach, you Lo, and, like so many people, you know me, you know Keontae stays there. So he got on Choi's butt. I remember it was like the very Sorry, Keontae Sorry. Because I remember like it was the very next day she had to move out, the very last day she had to move out. I remember everybody started going home and there was still more stuff that had to get put into the truck.

Speaker 1: 57:47

And so for me I'm a good friend, so I still stay with Keontae Like I. I remember like we started loading up the truck. This is probably like three, four o'clock in the morning. I remember it started like light snow started falling too.

Speaker 2: 58:02

I'm like it started snowing down and everything, man you a really good friend.

Speaker 1: 58:08

I can see now. I can see why I got 100 seats in heaven now.

Speaker 2: 58:11

Bro, you done did your due diligence, man. You done did your due diligence. I'm so glad that you were able to come in today, man, and talk to us a little bit about yourself, getting the people to know a little bit more about you, getting to see just more of who you are, man. So, if you can reintroduce yourself for the people once again yes, indeed, because I did a poor job.

Speaker 1: 58:34

Nah, for sure, for sure. Alright, guys, what up this? Your boy, rodney D Adamson II, born and raised in Cleveland, ohio. You can follow me on Instagram at it's Always Rodney and that's Rodney, as in R D-N-Y. You can follow me over there on social media. Facebook is Dwayne Arias. Yeah, I'm just a man of God who has a heart and a passion for spreading the love of love, light, peace and purpose and bringing and making people realize, through media and content creation, that you have a purpose bet, bet, bet.

Speaker 2: 59:00

Man. I think that's a really, really solid purpose. So let me ask you this man, are you uh, we're gonna dig into your personal life a little bit man, are you a relationship man? You seen anybody at this time? Yes, I'm definitely in a relationship. Yes, all right, all right so, so, so we really big on relationships man we're, we're married men over here uh.

Speaker 1: 59:19

I'm eight years in. Congrats, congrats, thank you, thank you, thank you. Sharpened up to be better Seven years of marriage last month.

Speaker 2: 59:24

Come on, congrats.

Speaker 1: 59:25

Applause, man, congrats, congrats, congrats, thank y'all. That's not easy. So for 2024, that's not easy, this is true, man.

Speaker 1: 59:42

Yeah yeah, yeah, your views on keeping and healthy. What are your views on keeping your relationship healthy? Um, definitely, where I'm at right now is definitely compassion. Um, it's definitely compassion, and this is a department where I like him, but it's always communication, like, definitely communication, for sure. Um, it's about realizing um, why is your spouse or significant other saying this? Don't get so defensive on you. Know how it is like if someone tries to tell you how you feel, you already feel like you want to defend yourself. Oh, I'm doing this because blah, blah, blah. No, I don't got to do that, but it's like you got to realize. I'm starting to see it's a partnership. There's a reason why your person is putting this tooth to the forefront. It's not because they're trying to chastise you or to make you feel bad, but because this was concerning them, this was on their mind, and that's what I'm saying. It's not easy, you know, especially for a woman, to present how they feel about something, because they know how you may react.

Speaker 1: 1:00:33

Yeah, very much so very much so because I said I think this this most um most healthy relationship I've ever been in. I've been in some toxic ones, for sure. But you know, like she is also older as well no, she's 36. I'm 30. So there's definitely a difference in that. So. But you know, I love it because, like there, it shows the maturity that's in it.

Speaker 2: 1:00:56

For sure, for sure, man, and you being a man of God, being career driven on a path of being able to spread love into the world. Man, how did you and this beautiful young lady meet?

Speaker 1: 1:01:09

It's actually funny. We actually made it off of a Christian dating app. Actually what?

Speaker 2: 1:01:13

Christian Mingles, christian Mingles, that work. That's what's up. Trying to get it in Jesus, I believe in Jesus, but I can be holier than thou.

Speaker 1: 1:01:25

Man, look. So the app we met on it was it was called, it's called Upward, it's called Upward. So we met off of that. So you know it basically like. It's just like how Like a Tinder feel is. You know, swipe left, swipe right On who's cute, who's ugly. So how like a Tinder feel is no swipe left, swipe right, or who's cute, who's ugly?

Speaker 2: 1:01:43

So Damn Dang. I said well, I don't lie, it's so. Y'all made a match. Look, I'll say this.

Speaker 1: 1:01:46

It's some unattractive people on the app.

Speaker 2: 1:01:48

I'm going to pay to you, that's all right.

Speaker 1: 1:01:50

I'll be honest, it somebody in life. They found somebody. If not, you know, god has a plan for you. Jeremiah 29, 11. So for, I know the plan, so let's go for sure.

Speaker 1: 1:02:02

So, um, yes, we met off of that app. Um, you know, I said we swipe right, we end up like matching. Um, you know, you know basic conversation. Hi, my name is ronnie. I'd like to get to know you. Hi, my name is such and such. I want to get to know you. And it just started building from off of there. And, um, it's crazy, because it don't feel like we met off of a christian dating app, it don't. It don't feel like it like every time someone tells us that story then, how you have to meet, I'm like, oh, we did meet off of an app. Because, you know, because we hear these stories, you know someone's living in cleveland, this person's in kentucky, or hey, I'm in california, you're in new york. Like, how's that gonna work out? So, by the grace of god, you know, we were in the same area, which is Cleveland. So it was dope, it was amazing.

Speaker 2: 1:02:40

Yeah, God set that up for real.

Speaker 1: 1:02:41

Yeah, that's solid man.

Speaker 2: 1:02:43

I seen 90 Day Fiance. Some people be getting stood up man, they be faking them out.

Speaker 1: 1:02:48

Yeah, that's true, and you said, this is a Christian-based app. It's faith-based. Yeah, yes, don't download that app. No.

Speaker 2: 1:02:56

Well, the reason why I ask Is because you know Sometimes the tough part. Say you know when you're first meeting Somebody in a relationship. So when you bring Religion into that relationship and it's like, do we match in this way, it'll be heartbreaking.

Speaker 1: 1:03:08

Say you find the one who you find attractive oh man, she seemed perfect I wanted to be with my mom.

Speaker 2: 1:03:13

But then you find out oh, I don't believe in God. It's like ah.

Speaker 1: 1:03:17

And it's crazy Like Cause I said, is that a deal breaker, though, for me absolutely.

Speaker 1: 1:03:21

I mean for If I was single Cause it does Because, like you, have morals and values that you do and why you do it. If you have someone who is unequally yoked, you know it's gonna cause Friction, and that's one thing when me and her, like you know, we have the same viewpoints of things, of when, whatnot, and so that's even my mid-20s. That was the hardest thing about dating once because, mind you, I was going to tell you this, so hearing your stories was so great because, crazy, I didn't grow up in the church for real.

Speaker 1: 1:03:49

You didn't grow up I was one of them.

Speaker 2: 1:03:51

Kids like we showed up on christmas and mother's day seeing me christmas, mother's day, easter I was seeing me members, you would, man, I can interject, but you would not believe it. You would believe that Thyrod and my staff Comfort me for sure. From day one, but how you carry it.

Speaker 1: 1:04:12

And it's just, it's a.

Speaker 2: 1:04:14

A maturity man, it's a maturity it's an essence. You got bruv Like you done this before you done been here before you, shielded by something great yeah, so you you guard it wherever you go, so you can see that you can feel that man for sure yeah just you, wouldn't man? As, knowing you as long as I've known you, I'm like man, I'm like man rodney probably still a virgin, all kind of shit.

Speaker 2: 1:04:34

I was just joking, say little shit, I was, I was the other time I was, yeah, but me, but but you, you like you family. So I'm joking With you, with you man and my sisters Would always compliment you Like oh you so handsome.

Speaker 1: 1:04:45

And so it is.

Speaker 2: 1:04:45

Rodney always been a great guy.

Speaker 1: 1:04:47

Rodney always been a great guy. Ladies and gentlemen, Always been a great guy man. I appreciate it. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2: 1:04:51

They would always flirt with you, say stuff Like I remember Crystal told you like Roddy, I'm gonna take your virginity, hey hey, at that point I was ready, I was like your mom, right, hey, look.

Speaker 1: 1:05:03

I was like Chris. I was like can I say, man, I'm gonna be your stepbrother man, brother-in-law, let's go, I already helped your mama three times. She said palms gotta be greased. Okay for sure man, it's different.

Speaker 2: 1:05:16

When it's your big sister, I can see. If it's your little sister, this is your big sister. I'm the victim. She came at me. So I get it, man. I get it, man. Your character speaks for itself, man. How you represent yourself, how you represent God, man, I think that's a lost art of how you wear your God man and how you lead with it and how you say hey, I'm moving and navigating by that man. I think, I think that's a dope thing, man, I think that's a lost art Like.

Speaker 1: 1:05:45

I said yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:05:45

People who I remember I used to be afraid To pray in public. I used to say my grace. I'm a big grace sayer. I'm like yeah for sure. Yeah, I used to be scared To say my grace. What is he over there doing? But now you know, it's just, hey, you feel more free.

Speaker 2: 1:05:59

You feel more accepted into practice and you know what To speak to that man, because I could definitely understand that, like I've never been like a public prayer, this last maybe less than a year, man, I've become better at that. Not that that's like you have to have, but it does require some sort of courage, if you will yeah, like it's courage and it's practice, like the more you do it, you're gonna get better at it.

Speaker 1: 1:06:23

Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2: 1:06:23

For sure to speak to God publicly. I think that's something definitely uh powerful, but it's question time, for sure. Why do you think because I know this is true why do you think, especially when we get older man do you feel like people are like ashamed of being a believer, believing in god, believing in jesus?

Speaker 1: 1:06:43

um, I think, because it's not popular for sure, it's not popular like you know, like, and and I said this kind of ties in with what we talked about like, like dating, like you know, like I gave my life to christ, 24, 25. So imagine trying to date around that time in a world where it's, um, it's not popular. Where like like, hey, you know, I, I want to have sex, I want to party, I want to do drugs and blah, blah. Where it's like, it's like that's what comes in relationships. So imagine, like coming with boundaries relationship on, hey, I can't do this, I can't do this because I feel like it's going to be lead me down the wrong path. Yeah, so it's like, it's it's not popular. So for me, like dating was hard. Like you know, I remember like I went through a period where I think everybody goes through this, where, like, they want to practice celibacy or abstinence. So I had like like a ring. I'll never forget this, I'll try that one.

Speaker 2: 1:07:38

When you get married, you just celibacy, just come. Sometimes you don't get none me and my wife tried that when we got engaged. All right, we're gonna wait. Now, how long wait can we bump?

Speaker 1: 1:07:48

this wedding up a little bit.

Speaker 2: 1:07:50

We got married in like 26 days 26 day fiance.

Speaker 1: 1:07:55

But uh, but yeah. So I remember I was dating this girl this one time, like I had a ring on. So she was like, so, are you sure? Like you gotta have that? I'm like, yes, I need to have this. She's like, yeah, can you take this off for like one night?

Speaker 2: 1:08:06

So I'm.

Speaker 1: 1:08:07

I'm like and it's been constant with, it's been constant with that where, like you know, you're trying to be right, but when the world it's popular, where you see it in media, movies, music.

Speaker 1: 1:08:20

Advert world it's um, it's, it's popular, lord, where you see in media movies, music, um advertisement shoe. You can go on instagram without wearing a dang condom on because everything is so very provocative. It's very provocative. So imagine trying to remain your faith in this when you're in a world that's not popular. So, um, yellow, just answer your question. That's what it is. It's just, it's not attractive, it's not popular, but I do think in. I think now, um, if you expose yourself, like how I'm big on exposure, like you do have people out there who is advocating the christianity in a whole dope way. Even right now I'm listening more to like not traditional gospel, even though I do love that for sure, but like more faith-based, like like artists like like I got this this.

Speaker 1: 1:08:58

This artist I love his. His name is kb. He said this line. He said this line I'm so dope, he, he. He said you gotta believe this. I needed jesus. It's friday but sunday's on the way.

Speaker 2: 1:09:10

Say bye to felicia I like that kb and that dope that's dope.

Speaker 1: 1:09:15

So like, so like. There's ways. You know I'm supposed to meet. There's people who's making um, like, like, how it says in the word. No, god says I'm doing a new thing. If you have an old mindset, you're not going to adapt to the new things. So that's when, when older people say, like, how are we going to get new people, how are we going to get the youth in church? You cause you're stuck in your old ways. Like only the people who is around our age, more like millennials, and we can communicate with them in a different way that y'all came. So, yeah, it's going to be different. So let's say, I rock with like the, the christian artists. I rock with like the content creation, um on instagram and facebook, because they're doing, in a way, how most people in the pulpit can't do, like. I say like everybody, if you're a believer, you're, you're a minister. You may not be an ordained minister, but you're ministering to people for sure, for sure, so that's how I look at it, for sure solid man, solid, solid.

Speaker 2: 1:10:03

Hey, it's all. It's holiday season man. It's holiday season man. What you got, what you got going on thanksgiving man, I mean you coming through, I'm hey, let me know I'm there. I ain't got nothing.

Speaker 1: 1:10:13

And look, he's like we got not no food me and the wife, we going to somebody else's house, I know we. Oh so y'all, house hopping, that's what it is, y'all house hopping.

Speaker 2: 1:10:21

Yeah, we're going to the stairs, man, we gotta ride it out. Yeah, so, yeah. So that's what you and the family usually do around the holidays.

Speaker 1: 1:10:28

Um, this is my first time when me and her are actually doing something like together so okay so you know for the first, you know we gotta cook our own food first, so have our own meal at first, because you cook, huh because, huh, because you cook.

Speaker 2: 1:10:39

You see I'm gaining weight. Hey, you've been in the gym too. I thought it was good too.

Speaker 1: 1:10:43

I mean it's both. It's both, like I said, but she's a phenomenal cook. That's solid.

Speaker 2: 1:10:47

I remember like that's a skill, that's a trait that's necessary, that is a necessary skill.

Speaker 1: 1:10:55

Absolutely. I kind of needed that because, no, it's a lost skill to cook. Hey, say that one more time man Say that. One more time I said you know like cooking is a lost skill. Boom Cooking is a lost skill, oh man hold on.

Speaker 2: 1:11:07

Hold on, ladies and gentlemen. I found it. Ladies and gentlemen, freedom speakers.

Speaker 1: 1:11:13

Oh man.

Speaker 2: 1:11:14

I ain't got nan facial hair in this photo man. I had to go on your page to find it Word. Yeah, you had to go on your page. Ladies and gentlemen, Lalo the Most has found this nostalgic picture of us. I look like schoolboy Q.

Speaker 1: 1:11:27

We look like.

Speaker 2: 1:11:28

Bonthus and Harmony.

Speaker 1: 1:11:30

Hey, you got it.

Speaker 2: 1:11:31

I got this picture on my page, yeah. That picture from like 2010. Yeah, I was a real Jesus humper at this time too, bro. You see, I got my cross on my chest.

Speaker 1: 1:11:42

Yeah, man, hey that was the style we had the rosary pieces.

Speaker 2: 1:11:44

Had the rosary pieces bro Made Jesus fly. Get a diamond Jesus piece.

Speaker 1: 1:11:50

Man, I look like a backup R&B singer man. But hey, that's a unison though that's a brotherhood right there Like hey man, when it's crunch time.

Speaker 2: 1:12:00

We can and have leaned and reached out to each other. So, man, I got a question for you man when it comes to dating and you taking your relationship serious, man, what are some things that you are working on to present your best self to your spouse?

Speaker 1: 1:12:16

Beautiful question. Honestly, the best thing I'm doing right now is the first thing I said, definitely because I know myself to not get um entangled, cause I know me, I'm, I'm, I'm a flirt Like, I'm, like, like I love women. So I know that could be my, my downfall. So the first thing is to make sure my focus is what, what we're building, because I said like with her, like she's, like, let's say, even though she's a christian, like she's, she's, she cutthroat you're still, but still spicy she's spicy, she will cuss me out and I'm just I'm kidding.

Speaker 1: 1:12:52

but, baby listeners, I love you, but, um, but honestly, but honestly, it's all about what's your, what we're building, like we always get together, hey, what are goals? What are we trying to do? What we're trying to do this year, next year? So it's always about making sure, um, I'm available to hear her, and also realizing that she's a prize, that she's a gem. Like also, I would say this, would say this, like. So I made myself like, do you know how many heartbreaks I went through to get to you? Yeah, and like I realized, if I do, if I even think about doing something that's like in infidelity or anything like that, would it be worth me losing her?

Speaker 2: 1:13:34

Hell, no, that's a big thing man and I man and I'll say this man, only because you mentioned prize I want to ask this question and I want to follow up something because this is a it's a topic sometimes in social media.

Speaker 1: 1:13:45

These days.

Speaker 2: 1:13:47

Who's the prize in your relationship? That's a really good question.

Speaker 1: 1:13:53

No, that that's a really great question. Um the prize? I think really, because I I know myself it's really her. Because what great answer. All right, it's it's. It's it's her because I know my downfalls and my flaws and what it takes to deal with me. And also, I'll say this the area that I'm in as a profession, like being a minister and an actor, like, for example, being in in a play that takes, it's not like a movie, like rehearsals, like y'all say this. With film, you can do so many takes and we can edit that. Acting on stage, that's a one take thing. Yeah, gotta rehearse, rehearse. Like I'm at, like I'm at church maybe three days out the week and on Sundays I'm there like from three to from three to almost nine o'clock on Sunday. Yeah, and I work a job as well. That's not easy for someone to really For sure accept.

Speaker 2: 1:14:53

It's a big part of the job man asked that question is because? For I'm gonna start by saying I hate that question for one. Yeah, and the reason why is because because I'll say the same thing my wife is the prize to me. Yeah, but guess what, I'm the prize to her. Yeah, it shouldn't be a battle between who, because, like I remember, uh, telling the young lady this one time, I know I'm the prize in the relationship. Okay, well, if you're the prize, what do you get?

Speaker 2: 1:15:24

sure and I said it's a really dope question to a question. Yeah, you don't get a prize. If you are the prize, so it's. It's a ridiculous thing. However, it's important to say if you're the prize, what do you receive for? Sure I get it. You, the shit to your person, yeah, but what are you? What are you getting from? Yeah, your relationship, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 1:15:48

That's all I wanted to ask for sure I think for us the biggest thing is is peace, like I said, like, like like previously, both of us was in very toxic relationships before we met each other. She was with somebody who she was with for like years. They had their issues. I was with somebody who I wasn't really my best self with, like, like I said, I was dealing with the depression. You know, I drank a lot, thought about suicide, like it was so many things I was dealing with, like.

Speaker 1: 1:16:13

But then I'm seeing how it was with her and it's like sometimes we think about like this is so good, something's gonna happen. But because, like I say, in dating I was the prize and because I was spiritual in the church, they saw themselves as inferior and me superior. Like I'm not ready to be with a guy like you because I gotta get myself together when that's really not how it is now with her. Like I said, she was ready to walk with me, like she's the one who she gets me more aligned in my purpose, more sometimes, more more than how I do, because she's like hey, like she's the one who helps me like to dress better, to like hey, like, hey, hey, you look nice man.

Speaker 1: 1:16:50

Yeah, you do man you smell good too, y'all, you smell pretty good I think like I'm like, like I said, like you know, around her, like she's definitely helping me to. I feel like, if I could put into words, I feel like this 2025 will be my coming of age year. Because I like that, because I'm with someone who, um, who, who sees a vision. That's that's why the bible says like your wife is your, your helpmate? Yeah, because she's going to see things that you cannot see. That's right for sure. So it's like with her, she's seeing things like, for example, like I'm the youth director at at my church. So for me, I'm thinking I just want to come in, just how what I want to wear, like I'm wearing my jeans, I'm wearing my hoodie, and like dope, she's like like rodney, no, you are a minister at your church. They need a role model to see like you're going to show on time, you're going to dress good. And they need to see another level what, what they could be. That's's wonderful.

Speaker 2: 1:17:38

I'm like huh.

Speaker 1: 1:17:40

I'm like get out of my business. It's youth church man. It's youth church man. I can smell like weed at school. I can smell what they do. The past said. You heard what Mr Molly said.

Speaker 2: 1:17:54

In your appearance, taking pride in your role. I think that's a lost art as well. Whatever role that you have, make sure that you're fulfilling it as much as you can you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1: 1:18:04

she's giving me a lines.

Speaker 2: 1:18:05

It's dope you, being a married man, and I just get to hear it and sit back like I understand how uh necessary a, uh a partner is a dope mate. You know having a dope mate I like that. I like that it's dope that this person really does.

Speaker 1: 1:18:22

Compliment you, man this person really does very important.

Speaker 2: 1:18:25

Like you said, they put it with your shit.

Speaker 1: 1:18:27

You you know what?

Speaker 2: 1:18:29

you coming in this thing with, you know you still getting to learn each other and I say this to wifey every time, you know, and I catch me in them, places where I want to be extremely intellectual with her, I want to ask those piercing questions to get to know who she is. Before I met her, you know what I'm saying or things that we've talked about of her growing and her development, or even myself. And hey, I can tell you, we both at the time didn't value ourselves or didn't have a certain level of respect for ourselves, and it showed through some of our actions and how we allow people to treat us. So it would be a question like when did you start valuing yourself? When did you? You know, when was the cutoff date of like no more of this. And we start that.

Speaker 2: 1:19:12

But that's a unpacked kind of question, man. That's a Saturday morning, the kids ain't got up yet, we just chilling, laying around and we just vibing Like no work, no, nothing. But we didn't. The tone is set to just be like hey, man, this is a level of intimacy. I want to talk to you, I want to let you know, I want to jump into the task of the day.

Speaker 1: 1:19:39

It's already promised to me, right.

Speaker 2: 1:19:41

It's already promised to me. Right, it's already promised to me. I don't want to have to get up and go deal right with the kids. I don't want to have to get up and go deal right with work. I feel like being a fucking husband, yeah, and my approach is normally assertive, like that. Yeah, sometimes it's cussing, sometimes it's not, but it's still like it's still romanticized like hey, I still want to

Speaker 2: 1:20:01

be a husband to you. I want to just lay here, scratch your head. We talk Like today. We had one of them. Moments like a real dope, reflective moment of Christmas coming up for the kids. I'm almost probably done Christmas shopping.

Speaker 1: 1:20:16

No, I'm not.

Speaker 2: 1:20:18

They only get one thing. The Lord said you was already blessed in abundance before now yeah. So, god damn it, I'm going to give my kids an apple and an orange.

Speaker 1: 1:20:27

Not an apple and orange and a can of cane, maybe a pear.

Speaker 2: 1:20:31

You can give them a goat tooth. No, no, it's too much.

Speaker 1: 1:20:35

You sound?

Speaker 2: 1:20:36

like you after this tissue paper in there, that's. But I am gonna do that.

Speaker 1: 1:20:40

I'm giving it away, never mind I mean, oh wait, are they gonna hear this? Though my folks listen, I'm gonna go ahead and put it out.

Speaker 2: 1:20:48

Well, I'm gonna just say this I remember when I was younger, asking my grandmother grandma, when you were young, we talking about one grandmother being born in 1930, the other being born in 1927. Yeah, grandma, what you used to get for Christmas? Oh well, we used to get an apple or orange and stuff like that. And we talking Alabama, we talking farm, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, so it would be like an apple and orange. See, now you know the kids want the goddamn.

Speaker 2: 1:21:15

Oculus and the iPad and the Apple that's a different kind of apple. Yeah, that's a different kind of Apple. Yeah, that's a different kind of Apple. So, but you know to reflect and be grateful. So, along with the Samsung watch and the video game and the $100 PlayStation gift card here, open this little white box with the tissue paper hanging out, and it's an Apple and an orange and maybe a candy cane. If you and for you to kind of what, however, reflect real quick, because we ain't always had it this way, it could be gone tomorrow, it can be gone.

Speaker 2: 1:21:51

You know I'm saying and something like this is all we got and it's important to reflect, man, my grandmother and I'm blessed because I still have one Every Christmas she would give, she would get them. She would have my uncle get the holiday envelopes from US Bank that was her bank to the US nigga. She stood by them with the little hole for the face of the bill. You know it probably wouldn't work today because the face is somewhere else, yeah, but she would give everybody in the family a $5 bill and that envelope from grandma to in her handwriting. You know what I'm saying. We're talking about a third grade education. You know what I mean. And I still have one.

Speaker 2: 1:22:33

I was going through my stuff one day and I'm talking about crispy $5, brand new to the point where them joints would be sticking together. My uncle would be sticking together, my uncle would go get it. You had to like peel them apart fresh off the presses, yeah, but I still got one left and, man, I'm holding that thing forever. It's an altar in my house for my grandmother and I got it sitting up on there. I got a candy dish. I went to the Goodwill man got a candy dish. Shout out to the goodwill. I grew up in there.

Speaker 1: 1:23:04

Yeah, I put some salt peppermints in there, some of them nasty caramel candies that nobody won't put it in there and the dish is sitting there. I don't eat that candy.

Speaker 2: 1:23:07

You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 1:23:08

That's the ultimate way to picture her. And you know my diploma, that's for sure, for sure.

Speaker 2: 1:23:12

But listen, I'm going off my shit man back to relationships real quick. So, and it's a question for both of you, what do y'all think is more important? If it is one more important, the other understanding or respect let me well, rodney, you want to go into that first or um understanding or respect um let me kind of give you what I mean here.

Speaker 2: 1:23:39

So like I remember my wife and I having some intense fellowship, you know, and I remember telling my wife she she's upset with me and she's like I just don't understand and I'm like baby boy, I don't need you to understand me, I don't need that, I just need you to respect my way. So with that, y'all got my answer.

Speaker 1: 1:24:02

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not going to under. That's a great example. Yeah, we're not going to understand each other.

Speaker 2: 1:24:07

And I can go into detail off the air about what the disagreement was about. But we're not going to understand each other all the time. We're not going to understand your little pet peeves and the reason why you want to make sure your cup is that way. I'll oh, when you put the lid on, make sure the handle is this way. You know. I'm saying like I don't know, I grab it like this anyway, even though the handle you know.

Speaker 1: 1:24:29

But sometimes we got different things that we don't have to understand about each other, however just respect them you, you know what I mean. For sure, for sure, for sure, yeah, yeah so when you put it into that space.

Speaker 2: 1:24:44

I think most men are big on respect. They are for sure. Most men are big on respect more than, like you said, understanding. I don't need you to understand why you're doing this, but trust me, if you don't do it, you're going to understand why you do it. You're going to understand.

Speaker 1: 1:25:01

Shit is going you gonna understand why you.

Speaker 2: 1:25:02

You understand like it's gonna be self-explanatory, dude, you know I'm saying I need you to follow order. You know I'm saying so. I understand that and can place it like in a vague text of you kind of communicate with the children. You're trying to communicate with your team, you're trying to communicate with, uh, your ministry. They don't need to understand the message, they need to respect it. Hey, clean up, wow. Yeah, cleanliness is next to godliness. You want some saint shit because it's a saint. And one day you know how many things that we hear when we're children, and then we grow older and we're like.

Speaker 2: 1:25:41

I see why my mom was tripping, it'll click. Because now I got my own place I ain't cleaned up and that's the move to fuck.

Speaker 1: 1:25:47

Yeah, you know what?

Speaker 2: 1:25:48

I'm saying or I can't keep some woman over here because I ain't clean.

Speaker 1: 1:25:52

Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2: 1:26:00

Which is giving that in the a little bit of everywhere man. So when it comes to zeroing in just to say on marriage for a second man, that's my serious relationship. I love my baby, so having that conversation where, excuse me, I want her to respect what I'm saying, but I do want her to understand the importance Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:26:20

Understand the importance of what I'm saying, but I do want her to understand the importance.

Speaker 2: 1:26:21

Okay, understand the importance of what I'm trying to convey. So we was at the crib the other day. I'm in the man Cave Lounge 87. That's another broadcast in place for the podcast Provision to Speak.

Speaker 1: 1:26:31

We gotta hit that more man. Yes sir, I've seen it. That look nice over there.

Speaker 2: 1:26:36

It's fly, it's jiggy. You know that jiggy. I know one of your Christmas gifts. Who told you? I ain't gonna tell you that's dope. I love my baby when she can't hold Water with a cup sometimes. When she told me I ain't telling you, but I know I got a gift Coming now. Morgan Gift giving is her thing she likes to give.

Speaker 1: 1:26:54

That's dope, that's dope.

Speaker 2: 1:26:57

But when we, when we have our conversations with each other man, I always preach to her of, like I have to be myself. Yeah, I have to be myself. I have to be is and you have to be like what I would consider like my safe space. You have to be that for me, the world is loud. Ok, the world is loud.

Speaker 1: 1:27:19

You world is loud.

Speaker 2: 1:27:21

You are desirable, I am desirable. I choose to dedicate and submit to you as you choose and dedicate to submit to me two ways. True, I don't want to feel deterred or neglected on anything that I am sacredly coming to you for so being able to communicate like I'm look, I'm longing for you, baby, I'm lusting after you. I to you for so being able to communicate like I'm longing for you, baby, I'm lusting after you, I want you, I want to be sensual with you, and it just ain't just not just doing this to you, not just humping on you, but it's like that we gonna do that. But leading up to that, it shows what I am. It shows that I actually give a fuck.

Speaker 1: 1:27:59

It shows that I care.

Speaker 2: 1:28:00

You know what I mean Just old and style. You know just spit-started coochies you didn't have to hit nigga, just because you ain't foreplay.

Speaker 1: 1:28:09

You ain't kissing nibbling. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 1:28:12

Or you, just I'm one of them. Before we even do anything, I like to do nothing at all with you. Yeah, right, like I like to do nothing, like we do so fucking much. Yeah, we are professionals in what we do and I feel like sometimes, you're one of our things that we work on with each other is we are both so powerful that we'll forget that each other needs help. Wow, because it's like hey, you, that's heavy.

Speaker 1: 1:28:38

Man you spitting today? Wow, Because it's like hey you.

Speaker 2: 1:28:37

You spending the day.

Speaker 1: 1:28:39

Bruh like hey.

Speaker 2: 1:28:40

She'll see me handling shit and I'm just Smiling and she'll be like you need anything and I just default.

Speaker 1: 1:28:45

Nah, nah, I'm good, I got it. I'm good, I'm solid, bro, and I'm really like.

Speaker 2: 1:28:50

I just need a hug. I just need a hug, amen.

Speaker 1: 1:28:54

Please put your titties on me. Yo, let me Put titties on me with your girl woman parts on me let me tell y'all a story one day, man.

Speaker 2: 1:29:00

So y'all know, you know Jonathan Majors was in a situation he was in, shout out to you know, apparently the lady dropping the charges or whatever. Shout out to that, as she should, as she should, but at the, my pinky, go ahead, shout out to Jason Lee as well. The Hollywood Unlocked. But it was a war show where Ayanla Van Zandt presented him with his award and she hugged him. Y'all know what I'm talking about. She hugged him in such a way.

Speaker 1: 1:29:29

First of all, she's already like a nurturing person already. Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 1:29:33

A woman's woman. Yeah, I just got finished watching an interview with her man. I don't imagine her to be a tall woman, but Jonathan is absolutely a tall man and she took his head and put his head right into that bosom In that bosom, right Right into that bosom. She took his head and placed it right there and then she starts to do this motion of shedding excuse my language shit off of him. Like you. Good, it's off of you, it's gone.

Speaker 2: 1:30:02

Man and me watching that moment I got emotional because I know we all could use a hug like that sometimes you know, and so I remember saying to myself man, I was going through so much, like you know, in the last couple of months, man, like I needed one of those Ayanla Vanzant hugs, of those ayan levanzant hugs, you know and I didn't say this to anybody man guess what my wife did when she got home? What's up, she gave me one of those ayan levanzant. Now, she didn't do the emotional, but when she came in the house and I always like I'll take her bag and I'll take her coat and I'll put it in her office for her, but before she even let me walk, she's like boo, hang on, hang on.

Speaker 1: 1:30:39

And she just put her arms around my neck and just hugging me like you're just like, hey, what's up you know, but she like took, you know it's a 19 seconds to say hey, stop real quick come here.

Speaker 2: 1:30:52

Yeah, it's needed, and just gave me one of those and I said to her I'm like hey, how did you know she like know what I'm like? Hey, how did you know she's like know what I'm like? I needed one of those Ayanla Van Zandt hugs, you know what. I'm saying I needed that. Did you cry in the car?

Speaker 2: 1:31:06

I'm crying right there, but get in the car, like right there, he's like yo, I need like what was that Like what made you in that moment, just me thinking about that just that day and moment, just me thinking about that just that day, and you came in here and said wait, hold up, we're not just about to hey what's up, yeah, what you want for dinner. It's like hold up, stop time out the day. Kids shut up, yeah, yeah it's needed.

Speaker 1: 1:31:27

Yeah, for sure 19 seconds.

Speaker 2: 1:31:30

Let me hug this man real quick. That was a beautiful. I call that because nessa would do that sometimes. Or she'll do. She'll see me like I'm sad I'm having a moment. Yeah, she'll do. She'll see me like I'm sad I'm having a moment. She'll do little things like hug me or bring me little gifts, little trinkets. You know she's like a cat. She can bring you a dead mouse and be like hey. I bought you a gift. I got that mouse.

Speaker 2: 1:31:51

Dead batteries, you know what I'm saying, but she'll bring stuff like that to me or give me gifts or just come in my space. She'll just come and sit like, or we'll be talking. She'll be like why are you so far away from me? And then come close to me. But I call that.

Speaker 1: 1:32:08

Why you way?

Speaker 2: 1:32:09

over there I got two kids. I can fuck your ass, but I call that having an attention span for me. You have an attention span for me.

Speaker 1: 1:32:20

You're not rushing me, so you can move on to the next task because I know you important yeah, I know you important, I know them kids need you.

Speaker 2: 1:32:28

I know your girls need to know you need yourself. I know you trying to take care of the family and you're trying to cook and you, you know you're getting things done. But being able to have that attention span like hey, baby, come here and give me a hug, kiss, sit down, talk to you, whatever it is for them couple moments to be like, it's a break for me too.

Speaker 1: 1:32:45

Yeah, yeah, I mean because it's needed. I think, like, because, as a man, like we're always in our masculine lives, as what ttjx would say, um, that the five, five p's, there's the protector, provider, the promoter, the prophet and the priest and the pastor of your house, like you're really in a mode of provision. You know that's not an easy task for a man to do, like, like how you said to to take on the world, and you know it's not easy. So, like we, like how you said you are intentionally your, like, say your partner knows you, she will know you. Like like, for example, like said your partner knows you, she will know you. For example, there's a difference between the lady who I have now and who I was before. I'm not going to name any names, forget her yeah, so I remember for Christmas recently I got a record player.

Speaker 1: 1:33:37

So shout out to my sisters for giving me a record player.

Speaker 2: 1:33:39

My sister supposed to owe me a record player. My twin sister, crystal, give me a record player. So shout out to my sisters for giving me a record player. My sister's supposed to owe me a record player. My twin sister, crystal, give me a record player.

Speaker 1: 1:33:44

Come on, crystal. Come on now. They ain't cheap. Go to Walmart. They got Bluetooth. Now I want a record player.

Speaker 2: 1:33:49

Got the Oscore the tape on the side.

Speaker 1: 1:33:51

You can put CDs in there. That'll go dope as fuck in the lounge bro.

Speaker 2: 1:34:00

You know I got one. You know I got one, so hold your place. Freedom Speakers. I know I post pictures of myself on social media my lounge where we record at as well, but Lalo got a whole motherfucking lounge to him. And he built this bitch from scratch.

Speaker 1: 1:34:10

That's a fact.

Speaker 2: 1:34:12

He put the carpet in, he put the frame in, then he put a whole door in there. In there, you got to exit outside.

Speaker 1: 1:34:18

That shit look like a basement.

Speaker 2: 1:34:18

I know who I'm going to call when I get myself together the craftsmanship of like, hey, this man bought a house and then built the house in the house. You know what I'm saying. I appreciate that shit, but it's like, hey, this man got a spot too and we'll go over there sometime. And you know how I be, like yo spot become everybody's spot because now it's cold yeah everybody.

Speaker 2: 1:34:38

So, and you saw it after. That's the way I had to look at it, like I want to be by myself out here, I want to do this like, but we love you, this is where you at. Yeah, so the kids, the dog, the wife is everybody in there? Huh, I guess I gotta be in there, but that's that's when you know you didn't made it feel like a home that they're inviting to be in there, for sure, man.

Speaker 2: 1:34:59

His spot. Nice as fuck, man. I got to promote my. I ain't got a name for it. You got Longe 87.

Speaker 1: 1:35:03

I don't have a name for mine.

Speaker 2: 1:35:04

You know we call it because technically for you know and hold your story with the record player. But you know, for realtor language it's called the family room. But I pull my man cave card, Get out the game coming on, it's a man cave.

Speaker 1: 1:35:19

Like when it's Saturday, sunday, Latham, be Dad can.

Speaker 2: 1:35:21

I play the game. Hey, son, ohio State, come on at 12 o'clock. I need you off this game at 1130 because I want to watch some of the pregame stuff, for sure, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 1:35:40

I'll pull it up on my phone. Son. He said be fair, it's 11 49, you know what it is save you, save you.

Speaker 2: 1:35:44

We got scum this weekend we'll talk about that another time. Go ahead with the record player bro, appreciate that chief man no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 1: 1:35:51

So it's like I remember like, so, like I said, my sisters, they got me a record player and so they got me two, two records too. So the records they got me, michael jacksoniller Michael Jackson, bad, even more classic man. So I remember my girlfriend at the time. I was interested at the time she was like Ryan, why you got that? You don't even like Michael Jackson, what that's how I knew she didn't know me Because she said you don't play that enough, or like you know writing everybody like michael jackson. But you know, I'm like, when I took that rubbed me the wrong way so much I'm like you don't even know.

Speaker 1: 1:36:28

I remember for fourth grade, um, I did, uh, we did, like a project for back history month. I did my michael jackson. I damn, I danced to michael jackson. You, you rock my world. For halloween. I was, I was Michael Jackson For three years in a row With the hat and the glove. What else Remember? When he died, I cried. I watched the Michael Jackson Jacksified movie Like three, four times when he died.

Speaker 1: 1:36:48

So the fact that she didn't, she didn't really Say no, you don't even like Mike. When she said that low, I'm like you don't even like Mike. I'm like that's when, that's, that's when I knew. But then on the flip side, with the person who I'm with now, I can tell she definitely, um, cares. So what was going on this? You know, I over, I overthink at times. So it was the first time in this third quarter of the year I started experiencing um, um, anxiety attacks. Never had that, ever in my life, ever. I'm thinking I'm having too much caffeine and what not.

Speaker 1: 1:37:28

So I'm at work one day. I'm just, I'm just, you know, thinking, doing my usual, doing my marketing for the thing, talking about what movies I'm going to write for 2025, what Instagram posts I'm going to do, like I'm all over the place. So I know it's like my chest getting tight and like I feel like someone's like choking my throat. I'm like what's going on this? This don't feel right. So like, mind you, I'm like I was a big caffeine drinker, I was big on red bulls coffee to get me through the day. I work at the desk, I'm working customer service, so I'm like on the car gonna go. Then I feel my chest like this don't feel right. So I go outside.

Speaker 1: 1:38:05

The first person I call is is her. I said baby, something over my chest, I think I might have a heart attack. She said, right, what was she doing? Well, I was having these thoughts. I was doing this. That she's like rodney, tell your boss you're going home, go to my cabinet, get the xanax, walk the dogs, take a shower and lay down. I did exactly what she said and all that was gone. So, looking into the fact that she knew what to do in that moment, that showed what she cared, and the fact that, like I said, she motivates my purpose, you need that. I need it. Like I said, god will know who.

Speaker 2: 1:38:46

Like I said, like god will know who, like I said, say if I had a panic attack with old girl.

Speaker 1: 1:38:49

What, what's gonna happen? World star she went in.

Speaker 2: 1:38:51

She went in answer the phone, yeah ronnie, you tripping yeah, and like next thing you know man up man up boss.

Speaker 1: 1:38:56

Her favorite word was boss up. That was her favorite word. Yeah, ronnie, it was either writing boss up, you're a gaslighter or you're a narcissist.

Speaker 2: 1:39:05

Yo. So people learn these terms and they don't know how to shut up about them. Narcissist has been one of the most Used words and half these. I'm gonna have my auntie listen to this episode. I love this. Half of these MFs Don't even know what the word Narcissist means, doesn't even fully Understand what gaslighting means, but they can see that that's irritating.

Speaker 1: 1:39:31

I heard that so many times in that relationship A lot.

Speaker 2: 1:39:34

Those are freedom speakers. If we can do one thing this year, I would love to get rid of the term narcissist. Just leave that in 2024. And you can't get rid of the term, at least minimize it.

Speaker 1: 1:39:47

It's abused, the term is abused, it's abused for sure.

Speaker 2: 1:39:51

So narcissist is abused. Gaslighting, as you mentioned, is abused. Crash out, crash out to me is just that's the word that everybody picked up after Demure, like now, you can't say a sentence without crap I'm about to crash out the funny thing man demure didn't last that long, it didn't last. Funny thing I was watching mulan with my girls and that's one of the first words that she said, really in the movie mulan the first one.

Speaker 1: 1:40:17

Oh, the cartoon one, yeah, the first.

Speaker 2: 1:40:18

Wow I didn't know that when she was writing on her arm she said be kind, demure oh wow, and I'm like, oh shit, that was good never part. Picked it up. Yeah, never, not until then.

Speaker 1: 1:40:26

Oh, she said, demure it's been a word since 2001 when she said it's okay. Though when she says no, no, she fought with men in war, so she cool, she handling that she cool.

Speaker 2: 1:40:36

So I, as a person who I'm, uh, I get to hear people speak. You know a lot of people. I counsel people. So when I get to hear them speak most times about like their spouse or relationships that they're in or people they're dealing with, those are like the basic things that they say this person they don't care, they're a gaslighter, they're a narcissist, they're selfish, they think about themselves and it's like there's always a yin and yang and everything you sound like. And then when they'll expand or unpack, you might find those traits in somebody who is very driven, that's very passionate, it's like. But they, they find them at a place where they couldn't control this person.

Speaker 2: 1:41:19

Okay, so I'll bring it into this as a, as a man who has been found or heard. Hey, I'm aggressive, I could be rough, but I don't mean to be rude. I'm sorry. I've learned that. Let me try to soften my bitches, maybe soften them. You know what I'm saying. I understand that, but it led me down a rabbit hole one night. Of women who, kind of it, seemed like women do a lot of the classifying of men. This is true, so it would be oh, it's the alpha male, then the beta male, then the sigma male and to me.

Speaker 2: 1:42:01

I looked at it. Just listening on some rabbit hole, I'm scrolling and I'm like this bitch. Just these are different styles of how nigg just listening on some rabbit hole, I'm scrolling and I'm like this bitch just these are different styles of how niggas talk. You know what I'm saying? The aggressive nigga he gonna keep him. I'm sitting there just dissecting what she's saying, but I'm sitting there like which part do I identify with?

Speaker 2: 1:42:16

I'm like I identify with all of them, all of them part, yeah, but I'm sitting there like I don't think none of this shit matters not at all, because I'm like if somebody came in there coming to kick your ass, would you want him to be demure about it? Right? What results are you looking for? Okay, maybe you still want results, but you are you classifying this man on how his delivery is?

Speaker 2: 1:42:40

that's really what it is. It's really the delivery. Is his delivery? He more straight to the point, he ain't cutting. He cutting dry with you of, hey, I need you to do this. I ain't about to explain to you for sure. Then you got the beta male, or however they classify. I don't. It's like, depending on how I feel, because I'm more aggressive, say, for example, I'm more aggressive with my woman because that's me naturally. At the same time, that's what she may like. My man said get me together, keep me in line, let me know you in charge. Yeah, for sure, compared to that other woman, you're going to speak to me nicely. I have something to say. I can't say anything either, and it's like we in the war bitch, you want to die or not?

Speaker 2: 1:43:24

I need you to understand how serious this shit is For sure when I say duck, duck, duck Like duck, let's go Nice. Now you hit, now you done, got shot yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:43:36

You dead now. So now I gotta find me A new woman now.

Speaker 2: 1:43:38

Yeah, your sister, she was nice. Yeah, for sure I mean like I said.

Speaker 1: 1:43:42

I mean like I said. I think, like Everybody's different, like you know, I think we're in an age when it's like you know A lot of people Like, let's say Like it was like in high school, if someone had these shoes, if you didn't have these type of shoes, you corny. That's how it is when it comes to like dating, if you don't have no one, who I'm speaking from, saying hey, hey, my man has to have six figures, have his own car, have his own house, entrepreneur, no kids. He got to have his own jet and we got to go on trips every other month. That's like they have a checklist. Like I remember one of my favorite preachers, pastor Michael Todd. He said he did a book Relationship Goals and he said, like, rip up your list.

Speaker 1: 1:44:22

We all, of course, we all have an idea of how our ideal woman would be. Let me say this For your ideal woman that you have, is it your wife or girlfriend? We always envision the Megan Good, tyra Banks. Give me another woman, halle Berry, halle Berry. We always envision how my woman gotta be this, they gotta be that, but then like no, is that what you know? God, which I'll say this god will give you what you want, not what you what you need. Say that one more time, for god will give you what you want, but not what you need.

Speaker 2: 1:44:48

One more time, I think the people in the back get put some soul into it god will give you what you want but not what you need.

Speaker 1: 1:44:53

So it's like you may feel like you would want this type of person, but you know her character may be jacked up. Yeah, so you know you say you want this guy, but you know, does he? He beat you. You know, like I said, like like everybody wants to, wants to step on her kale, but who nobody wants urkel yeah, so hey, but at the end of the spill the nigga still was jaleel.

Speaker 2: 1:45:13

He was still still was jaleel bar.

Speaker 1: 1:45:16

Write that down, come on now.

Speaker 2: 1:45:17

It was it was just nigga. Still was jaleel shout out to, but he was both of these people. Come on now, come on both of these people. But Urkel was just who he regularly was on the show, but remember, in real life the nigga still was Jaleel.

Speaker 1: 1:45:31

He was still cool.

Speaker 2: 1:45:32

Still was this. So I say this, man, it's very important to me as I'm learning in our relationship and I identify with you on you know God was sending you what you, what you need, not what you want exactly. Um, I, I had to recognize at a time like, hey, man, my woman is is what I want. But I also know we got to build that once I got to be able to express those wants to you of at a time man, you know we didn't been in places, we didn't get to 14 years, I didn't have some days where I felt lonely and I felt by myself like amen, I need some time from you or I need us to be these titles to each other. Remember we both are important. She's high in demand to it and her career, her family, the children, things of that nature at a time, her ministry and things like that. So it's like, hey, I'm so powerful, I'm still maintaining'm still maintaining things too, but I didn't even got work. I didn't got work done early.

Speaker 1: 1:46:27

I'm sitting there twiddling in my thumbs you know what.

Speaker 2: 1:46:29

I'm saying Now I'm sitting there just waiting on her and then when she comes, she tired, she exhausted, hot, sweaty. You like, hey, you sure about this? Yeah, it is what I say, man. It gets to the point where it's like I remember asking my wife, like where am I on your list? You know, I know I'm on the list, but where am I? Am I somewhere in the middle? I don't expect to be on top all the time. We got children, we got shit to do. You know what I mean, but where am I? And it's extremely important to love your partner on purpose For sure.

Speaker 1: 1:47:06

Intentionally, yeah, intentionally, you and I talk about that.

Speaker 2: 1:47:09

So even let's say I don't necessarily feel like it, whatever it is, I don't feel like rubbing feet. However, you know what? Let me put my person first, real quick. No, I don't feel like rubbing your feet, rubbing your back. However, this is what you need from me. I got you Right Because I love you. Yeah, you know what I mean. So my list is down to two the kids taken care of, done with work for the day. I done. Mowed the lawn, I done. Cleaned the house, I done. Painted the house. For is me and you and you request something from me. You at the top.

Speaker 1: 1:47:45

Between those two things, you on top right, yeah, and I I do want to touch on that for sure, as you are saying that, um, as me and my significant other, as we were dating, um, we did hook up uh, one of my friends who was a guy and one of her friends who was a girl that they hooked up, and then that's good to know, you know they, you know they kind of didn't end up like being successful, um, but then, like on her point of view, the, the friend she she's like, I just don't feel that euphoria feeling with him like I just

Speaker 1: 1:48:11

like I don't, like I feel like I want to be in love with him every single day, like I just don't desire that from him. So for my lady, what we're saying and what with me, her discuss behind closed doors, which why I say it's important to be someone who's who's equally yoked with you, you know. And no, love is an action.

Speaker 1: 1:48:27

Yeah, many people they misconstrue with loving a feeling yeah so there, of course, it is a feeling for sure, but then, like you know, like you, you can tell what you do for somebody based off of because you not necessarily because you want to, but you you have to, like I said, what, what god did for for jesus, for god so loved the world, what did he do?

Speaker 1: 1:48:51

gave his only gave his only son. For sure, I'm giving you my son, my only one, but I'm giving it to y'all, even though you may not not deserve it. Jesus died for what? Out of love, like because he knew what was he about to go through. But hey, I have to do it because that's out of out of love. So with that story, like you know, me and my girlfriend, we agreed that. You know, like you know, we're gonna have ups, we're gonna have downs, we're gonna have moments when I can't stand, you can't stand, you neither. But we both know like we want that grandma and granddad's type of love. You know, oh man for sure.

Speaker 2: 1:49:21

Hey, man, when you, when you said that, mr brown popped in my mind, I wanted me and my cousin fuddy shout out to fuddy uh, quincy burks, we, we, would. We had chopped it up a couple years ago and that was one of the things that we said just being like the men in our family, for sure that looked at.

Speaker 2: 1:49:38

We want to live to that, to be grandfathers. You know I'm saying want to drive an rv around the country ashy knees, tacky outfit. Come on, you know what I'm saying Want to drive an RV around the country Gashy knees, tacky outfit.

Speaker 1: 1:49:47

Come on, man, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 1:49:49

I'm embarrassing the kids because I love the shit out. They ass the grandkids love me, pop, pop, ken and I'm, but it's always a joyous time. And I know as a black man of times we mow down yeah we don't get to make it. You know what I'm saying for sure man it's, it's sad.

Speaker 2: 1:50:06

So the other night kj had asked, while we just chilling, he just kind of asked one of them deep, inquisitive questions. You know that that was like who's this is chilly after that. Well, he had asked he like, dad, have you ever seen somebody die? And I'm like, wow, yeah, man. I'm like yeah, I'm like yeah, they'll take their last breath and close their eyes and never open them again. Yeah. And he like, oh, that's sad, you shouldn't have had to see that. And I'm like, yeah, man, but that happens, man, that happens. And after that it had me think about it and it was like that shouldn't happen, it shouldn't happen, it shouldn't happen. But it does. And it's like, how did you? You know it's one of them like damn, you can poke me somewhere.

Speaker 2: 1:50:49

I ain't even thought about you know what I'm saying but it made me think of him a little bit more, hug on him a little bit more, keep him a little bit more close to me, just knowing like, hey, bruh, my depression kicks in at times where my survivor's remorse I get to see like where I am in life or how I'm viewed. It's like why me, some of my closest friends growing up, didn't even make it to grow up. Some of them got got kids and they did. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 1:51:17

They children would never have that relationship with them, but to be able to sit here and say, man, my son, we right here in the man cave talking and he like yeah, you ever seen somebody die? I'm like yeah, yeah yeah, and then cool. You know, but to even be able to have that expressive conversation with him and be like, hey, man, I gotta still protect this guy.

Speaker 1: 1:51:35

You still do I gotta still teach him.

Speaker 2: 1:51:37

I gotta still prepare him to black men.

Speaker 2: 1:51:40

Not at all, it's not nice to men and I want him to be expressive that's where I pull a lot of my recharge from of like, hey, man, I gotta, I'm nowhere near done because he ain't. He ain't even started, he ain't even started. So how can I be like I'm tapped out? Nah, man, you gotta keep going, I gotta keep going. And so having those conversations with him and him asking those things and bringing reality to him, because he's had to deal with death, he had to deal with death of his great grandmother passing, a deal with death of an uncle passing, friends of his family members are passing, things of that nature, and that's a real life thing to be able to communicate Like, hey, yes, it happens, man.

Speaker 1: 1:52:25

And even when I expressed to him teachings like hey, I won't always be here, kind of like the Lion King and Simba type of thing.

Speaker 2: 1:52:31

Yeah, like I won't always be here, and I can see the emotion in his face Like, for sure, nowhere near ready to be without me.

Speaker 1: 1:52:49

That's where I pull that from. Like you not ready, you're not ready, am I ready?

Speaker 2: 1:52:50

I test it every day. Right, I'm out. I'm out here, though I'm testing it every day. Can I handle what the day brings man? So we're pulling that from him and having that with him. Man makes me tap into being. Fathers are needed. Husbands are needed.

Speaker 2: 1:53:02

That healthy male role model in the house is needed, that healthy role model in the sure in the streets is needed, the healthy role model for and everybody's a role model, because you never know who looking up to you. That's right, you know I'm saying. You never know who was watching you.

Speaker 2: 1:53:15

You be like oh, I ain't no role model was like but niggas stealing your swag, though, yeah you know I'm saying niggas, stealing your lingo or how you talk or how you move or how you do business or how you do that. So seeing that it puts that like, hey, man, I really do want the kids to see something beautiful, for sure, and I also want to be the most beautiful, attractive husband for sure that I can be to my wife. That bitches can't get that, but that's that's like like that, that's a whole, whole different flex.

Speaker 1: 1:53:47

I remember I was telling someone the other day. I said I can't wait to be just like that dad going to go to go to parents teacher conference. Like that's your dad, that's your older brother, like nah, like shoot. You know I've been in in the gym. You know I probably got a little gray in my beard for real we got the wisdom in the wisdom.

Speaker 1: 1:54:01

I can't like yo. I cannot wait to get a little gray in my beard. I cannot wait. But that's really what it is for real and I think for sure, just speaking about the whole thing with you and KJ, like I think it'll be a whole different feel Just gotta do this with my dad, like I. But they've known each other since like middle school, dang, and to have like six kids all by the same mom and dad, like for me, I really grown closer with my dad.

Speaker 2: 1:54:29

You a fossil bro. Yeah, you rare you rare, I didn't.

Speaker 1: 1:54:33

But I'll say, like, growing up and I know we get off track, but this is important. I know how rare that was because it was normal to me, like it's not until I get Into high school and one of my best friends Still to this day, still to this day, one of my great best friends. I didn't know Everybody didn't grow up With a mom and dad In the household. Yeah, I thought that was normal. Like I said, my friend I'm not gonna name any names, but he's. But let's just say Like he's the Like, so he's. Let me say this he's a product of His. His dad is married to A, a whole, nother woman, but she don't hurt to Be with him, like NX, who's his mom.

Speaker 2: 1:55:11

So he's a product of that.

Speaker 1: 1:55:13

So for me, like I didn't know how rare it was For people to not have A mom and dad in the house. Everybody had that. So for me, and all by the same, mom and dad too, yeah, like people like ain't no kids on the side, ain't no brothers over here, they did it to each other more than once yeah, so they got into an argument and didn't break up.

Speaker 1: 1:55:30

Yeah like I said, they've known each other since they was, like I said, like elementary, middle school. Um had mom had me at 17. They got married in 2005. She was pregnant with my brother, who's now about, about to be 20 january. So they still and they just now had my very last sister, the youngest um, my first year in college they still active I'm even saying about your parents I mean but um, but yeah, it's a blessing.

Speaker 1: 1:56:02

But I said like I think the best feeling I started growing Like growing up I didn't know why my father did what he did or what he did Like for me, like cool, he's there. But I really gained More closeness when I started going to the bar and drinking with him. It's a whole different feel, like for more. Of course, he's still my dad, but now I see my dad as a person. I think that's going to be a whole different feel when your kid gets older. We all have our first drink or first cigar or whatever Next year 13 13 for real.

Speaker 2: 1:56:33

Yeah, the boy's about to be 13. Now we ain't about to be drinking, but that first drink I mean, bro Misfit, you know what?

Speaker 1: 1:56:40

I'm saying For sure I'm there. I'm there, for sure you ain't with the chief. We're going to look at some sparkling cider.

Speaker 2: 1:56:49

Sparkling cider In some cultures, he can be considered a man already it's going to be a little 0.2. 0% wine, you drinking wine, but this is like negative 1%. The point is and it may not work, but it's just enough for you not to want to do this. That's really the point. You know what I'm?

Speaker 1: 1:57:06

saying I don't like that.

Speaker 2: 1:57:07

You know what I'm saying. That needs a full local.

Speaker 1: 1:57:09

So maybe, hopefully, hopefully you won't try it again until you 22, 23, 25. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 1:57:19

I had my first drink and the girls too.

Speaker 1: 1:57:21

Yeah, like I said, it's a dope feeling, like I feel like, like I said, like I didn't see my dad just only as a dad, but as a person. Yeah, like him admitting his flaws and what he wants to do in life, like, hey, what I do to provide on y'all. Like, hey, I'm, I'm proud of you, I see what you've been doing, and like you know, when it comes to your films and your acting, you know your grandma. I'm pretty sure she should be proud of you for what you've done.

Speaker 1: 1:57:42

So, just seeing that that's a dope feeling, you know being able to live long enough to understand yeah, because I remember it was point in time like when my younger siblings know they didn't understand why my dad did what he did. Like you know, like you know what, we're all human, we're going flaws, we're gonna fall short of something. But when I was in that space of getting to like have like a man-on-man talk, I'm like yeah, I'm like, hey, guys, give dad some, some compassion yeah, give him some grace, yeah give him some grace.

Speaker 1: 1:58:09

So now, now, the fact that the two below me, my two sisters now they're above 221, one is 27, I believe, and one is going to be 24 I want to say they've all been to the bar with my dad and now they got a different viewpoint of that. For sure, that's important. It's important Because at first they didn't understand, but I'm like it's a lot as a man that you got to go through, not to mention, like I said, to be a man of six kids. Whew, yeah, you know, shout to my mom for real. You know she held everything down as well, yeah, so you know, I said it takes that partnership.

Speaker 2: 1:58:44

That's some, that's an inspiration type of love that I will want, I definitely want that won't that man that my. I would love to see how my children view us. For sure you know how they view our, our style of parenting, and sometimes the kids will jab you and you ain't even know and they hurt your ass.

Speaker 2: 1:59:03

So the other day KJ had said to Nessa and I was like I think she had got on, was getting on him, and she was like you want me to get your dad to get on you? He was like yeah, because he gets on me less than you and I'm sitting there like I thought I got on you more.

Speaker 1: 1:59:22

You know what I'm saying, but it was like hey, I'm getting on you just enough.

Speaker 2: 1:59:27

I'm thinking I'm getting on you a lot. I am thinking I'm getting on you a lot, but you getting the dose of another parent too, of like, hey, I may be getting on him harder when she getting on him more Right.

Speaker 1: 1:59:40

You know what?

Speaker 2: 1:59:41

I'm saying and I'm having those man conversations with him. Like hey, man, you got to do this, you got to do that. Come outside with me, dude. We about to do this, we about to do that, and cutting grass or playing sports, that's just kind of like that's the reason.

Speaker 1: 1:59:55

That's the reason we here, but that's not why we here. Yeah, for sure, it's more to it.

Speaker 2: 2:00:00

So as I expressed to him do you think the movie Rocky was really about boxing? Was Rocky? Was the movie Rocky really about boxing? No, it's a love story. The nigga just fought. Fighting was just no, no, no, no, no. The fighting was just the formality or the metaphor of, like you're going to always have challenges, you're going to always have this you can't be afraid to take on things. You know I'm saying dope movie written. Yeah, dope movie written, man, and they didn't carry the franchise shout out to michael b michael b, let's go um, but is giving him that of like, even taking it to church for a second.

Speaker 2: 2:00:38

I'm like hey man, do you the david and goliath? I'm like do you, do you really really really think that this little man could beat this big man? I'm like do you, do you really really really think that this little man could beat this big man? I'm like, do you think that's like, do you see big people? I'm getting explain to them? Do you see big people walking around, like they like where there are there's shack, there's, you know? I'm like I forgot he 12. But I'm like, okay, the, the, the metaphor in that story of David and Goliath at least the way I interpret it, is it don't matter the size of your problems, my nigga you take them on.

Speaker 2: 2:01:13

You take them on head on, for sure, okay. Faith over fear, right, my nigga. But I pull it from that passion of like man. You dig inside, you dig deep. For sure you will find a person within you that you never thought that you were. That's right, you and you. You would never would have. And then, once you expand to that nigga, you can never go back you can't go, hey, you can never go back.

Speaker 1: 2:01:32

You can never go back I like to.

Speaker 2: 2:01:34

So you know you mentioning just having to, having to get on kj, like me and me and low. We had a spat just yesterday and, like you said, your mother may get on you more, I get on you less. It's maybe once every couple months. You know I'm saying yeah, but when I'm on you, oh, I'm on you. It's real like it's real.

Speaker 1: 2:01:56

It's real when your dad is on you.

Speaker 2: 2:01:57

It's real, yeah like all, when daddy turned the grill on you. It's cooking and I'm and I'm gonna hit you with some bark because I'm trying to pull something out of you that I know that's in there, it's cooking and I'm a and I'm a hit you with some bark Cause I'm trying to pull something out of you that I know that's in there. It's in there Cause you you came from me and I know I got it. I know you got it, it just got it. It just it just got to be pulled out and you got to give a fuck. Sorry, auntie, I want you to listen to this, but you got man, and like you was talking about those parenting styles, like I would love to hear our children one day having a conversation talking about us.

Speaker 2: 2:02:28

You know, what I'm saying and reflecting back and it's like, yeah, my dad man, he was, he was, he was this, but he was also that you know what I mean Like you, you understanding your father more.

Speaker 2: 2:02:36

That's a beautiful thing, like that's something that I've shared before on the show. Like my, my children don't have grandfathers. You know I'm saying wow, like this, there's not someone there on the day. Like, hey, granddad, you know I didn't have a grandfather. He passed away before I was born. Yeah, you know what I mean. Um, so for that reason, like I can't wait to be a granddaddy, which is why I got to make it I'm taking care of my health.

Speaker 1: 2:03:10

And that's a whole other thing as well, being a granddad too. There's one thing about my dad, but being a granddad, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 2: 2:03:15

So that's something like when you mentioned going to the bar with your pops. I also want to be called Pawpaw. That's solid, that's solid. Yeah, my Uncle James, grandkids, my cousins call him Pawpaw, pawpaw.

Speaker 1: 2:03:28

Okay, for sure.

Speaker 2: 2:03:30

But that's something that I yearn for, man. So, even when my father, who's, you know, always been absent, like I met my father Once On my 15th birthday you know, september 13, 2007 yeah, 2006 you know, met him 2007. Yeah, 2006. You know, met him, talked, took me home never saw this nigga again One time.

Speaker 2: 2:03:49

One time, oh wow, one time. For like 40 minutes. That was exchange numbers. Nigga never answered the phone. You know what I'm saying. Can't explain it, and so like I'd be lying if I said, man, that shit don't bother me no more, you know what I'm saying Now. It may not bother me today, oh, but it bothered me three months ago.

Speaker 2: 2:04:11

You know, what I'm saying when I'm trying to find something in me as a father to now a 12-year-old. You know what I'm saying To where it's like yo, okay, I'm doing this shit for the first time. I'm a father to a 12-year-old boy for the first time. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I need some guidance and sometimes, you know, you got role models for us. We got uncles, we got the OG in the neighborhood, we got people we can talk to, but son yo to, but son yo you.

Speaker 2: 2:04:48

Fathers are important. Yeah, fathers are important. I need that, I need that and I don't see, I don't need nobody to like hold my hand through life now. You know what I mean. Yeah, but my mother told me when my, when my first son was born, and you know she called my father to let him know hey, just wanted to let you know, you got a grandson, just wanted to let you know. Congratulations. Bruh never reached out on nothing. You know what I'm saying? None of my kids, my boys, are at the age now where they start to ask hey dad, who's your dad?

Speaker 2: 2:05:19

Yeah, them be the ones bro, yeah, and that's crazy though.

Speaker 1: 2:05:23

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:05:24

Just not there. I mean man yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:05:24

That's crazy, though. Yeah, just not there. I mean, I want that.

Speaker 2: 2:05:26

Go ahead, man. I'm going to follow up. No, but I'm saying, like I want that, Like I want to, I don't need no money from you, I don't need no, you know what I'm saying, but hey man come through, Just be there.

Speaker 1: 2:05:45

Yeah, it was your neighbor. He live around the corner. We drink beer, you know yeah, we'll talk later.

Speaker 2: 2:05:50

I'm like, hey, you look just like the neighbor Dad, but like I do, at 33 years old man, I still want my dad Something I never had. I want something that I never had, even at 33, bruh, and maybe he'll hear this one day. So I'm gonna go ahead and say it we ain't got it. I don't need no explanation. From the day that we reconnect, we can start right here, june 19th 2028. We can start from our hands, hey, and we can start with let's, let's watch the Cavs game yeah, some of you think is going to win.

Speaker 1: 2:06:24

Have a beer. Start from there, not for real, though. You know what I'm saying. That's what it is, yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:06:27

Have a relationship with your grandkids. My kids need grandfathers. My kids ain't calling nobody granddad. Yeah, yeah, man, we sit in the same boat with both of our boys Recently found information out about my father.

Speaker 2: 2:06:43

My sister, my oldest sister, my mother, was able to look up information on my father online. Okay, um, I've always, as a youth, you know, yearn for that relationship. Ask for it, um, but as I've grown up and lived long enough to to to see certain things come full circle, I understand, like, hey, man, certain things come for a circle. I understand, like, hey man, pops probably wasn't fully moms, you know I'm saying they was whatever they was doing and you know I became the, the byproduct of it.

Speaker 2: 2:07:13

So, growing up without having that father relationship there and not having the best relationship with my mother, it really made me feel by myself. It made me like, look for that, look for my father. Um, especially when I'm needing guidance and everything and I can't, I had great role models, my uncles and you know great guys that my mama had dated, but they didn't belong to me. Yeah, they weren't mine, they weren't my father. You know I'm saying I was. I didn't feel no connection like with my uncles, of course, because we biologically and even with, even with my uncle, who wasn't my biological- uncle Nigga that shit didn't make us no closer.

Speaker 1: 2:07:51

That's right it didn't matter.

Speaker 2: 2:07:54

All right, that nigga took us all under his wing, that's right. So being able to see that man but still carving my own self out for sure was like, hey, man, I know how important that really is. So, not having my father and I'll never meet him he passed away in 2013, but I gained his information from other siblings, so I sit with that of like amen when I hope I make I'm making him proud that side of the family, proud things of that nature but it's like, hey, man, I was, that shit was denied to me. You know what I'm saying? It was denied to me. It wasn't like I didn't deserve it or I didn't want it, or like I could have really fucking benefited. I really could have benefited but it makes me even more of like, hey, the relationship between a father and his son is really sacred. It's really sacred, is sure?

Speaker 2: 2:08:51

You, as I tell kj man, your mother and I gave you. We, your mother and I came together to make you and we gave you the best parts of us. You are the best parts of other. Like you are the next to come. You don't have to be like that. You don't have to be rough, but I'm like, but you gotta be tough, you gotta be that way, man, it would just you got to me cherishing that relationship more, because I never want to deny my children something because I'm embarrassed, or I never wanted to deny my children an experience that they, that they overall need, because I'm mentally stuck in a juvenile place. I have not. I'm 60 years old with the mindset of a 29 year old and you can tell on how I dress and how I talk and communicate and where I hang out at. It's like nigga you 60 at the bar, you at the honeydew. Nigga you at motherfuckers. You better be. Why you ain't me the grandparent? Why?

Speaker 1: 2:09:44

you be the granddad, why?

Speaker 2: 2:09:45

you ain't Me the grandparent, why you be the granddad, why you ain't got A RV, nigga why you ain't got a van Right Doing that.

Speaker 1: 2:09:49

You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 2:09:49

But I want to Live long enough To be that and I want to be able To teach my Children, because that's really All I got. I got my wife too, and you know she helped me do that. But I also know, like we're here together but we are here alone for sure, you're here alone, so it's all of ours, man, but me expressing that to him and me really caring about my kids and caring about how they got here, caring about the person who I had children with and vanessa phenomenal fucking mother man she's she's stepping heavily on the care for the kids sometimes and I'll be feeling jealous.

Speaker 1: 2:10:26

I'm like I need my nose white too, like hey, baby, I'm here too, okay, well, you ain't. I want to be laid in your bosom.

Speaker 2: 2:10:33

I want to climb all on you and watch tv and shit. I'll pray for them. Simple things simple things simple things, man, your boy. Like I said, she's still important, so I have to wait my turn sometime, but I, you know, I nudge Like don't forget about me.

Speaker 1: 2:10:54

What's the line that?

Speaker 2: 2:10:55

we say Forget about me yeah yeah yeah, it's a line we say was like hey, man, don't ever feel like I'm okay, don't ever feel like I'm okay, don't ever feel like I'm okay, don't ever feel like I'm okay, Don't ever feel like I'm okay, I'm like most men. We got to put a mask on to get the results that we need. Yeah, all right, I need to put that mask on to go to work and say, hey, I got to deal with this. I got to handle that.

Speaker 2: 2:11:18

I got to have all the answers. That's the position I'm in. Do I got all the answers to some degree for what this problem is? Yes, I might have some solutions we can try. You know, simply to be sought after.

Speaker 2: 2:11:29

It's like oh my mother, fucking God, when you go home, you got to put that mask on for the children, for the wife. Sometimes you got to even put a mask on for yourself to be happy. And I was and this was bringing it full circle to a conversation, something I said earlier me and Nessa was having a heart-to-heart and I'm just reflecting on the growth from my childhood to now and it led to me like, hey, I purposely, every day, as a trauma response, I purposely get up and make myself happy, because as a kid, it was like that shit was trying to be knocked out of me. It was trying to be knocked the fuck out of me of how I naturally was. Uh, I'm just energetic, I'm exciting, um, and and genuitive I'm not, not, you know, I look at things in an ingenuity.

Speaker 1: 2:12:14

That's a fucked up way to say it, but I wish you man.

Speaker 2: 2:12:15

Yeah, but I look at things fascinating. I'll say I look at things of how I love to discover. I love to explore, I love to be curious, I love to. I feel like that's the her. I love to be curious, I love to. I feel like that's the. I heard Steve Jobs say that, like man, you got to be childlike to explore because when you a grown up, you kind of like no, that ain't that. That's it, and it's like no, it's so much fucking more, so much more.

Speaker 2: 2:12:46

But I practice purposely making myself happy happy.

Speaker 1: 2:12:47

No one else can do that for you, that's right. And I can't put on my wife. You ain't giving me no head. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 2:12:48

It might favor her to it some days. You damn stressed.

Speaker 1: 2:12:51

It may help some days. It may help some days.

Speaker 2: 2:12:55

I can't put that on her plate and make her carry that. You know what I'm saying? Me saying okay, I gotta get my me time, I gotta handle my mental war and I get up in the mornings and that's when I find the time I make it. We all got the same 24, that's true, so it's like, hey, I'll get up between this time and that time and I, I meditate, I pray, I get to writing, you know, and I write my notes, I, I, or I would say I order my steps.

Speaker 2: 2:13:21

No I order my steps daily, though. How I what? How am I going to interact with people? When I see my son, what's the first thing I'm going to say to him? When I see my wife, what's the first thing I'm going to say to him? When my brothers call or I reach out to this person, how will I greet them? How do I set the tone for that?

Speaker 2: 2:13:39

You know what I'm saying but that's a chieftain thing, that's a hey, man, if I am a leader, this is a transference of energy. I can set the tone when it's ball and mock work. You can be on some bullshit and I can be, are you okay? And diffuse the situation Like are you okay, come talk to me, man, give me a hug and put you on my buzzer.

Speaker 1: 2:13:58

You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 2:13:59

What's up, but I don't have to racket that back and forth with you.

Speaker 1: 2:14:04

I don't have to go there, it's one of them.

Speaker 2: 2:14:06

Like you, pulling me into your bush, I'm anointed motherfucker.

Speaker 1: 2:14:10

Did you know, god? But?

Speaker 2: 2:14:12

I didn't already program myself, like nobody gonna bring me down, that's right, for sure Nobody gonna bring me down. I won't allow you to do that, because you don't know where I just came from, right and a lot of people don't know.

Speaker 1: 2:14:23

A lot of people don't recognize that they feel like what was I going to say? The other day I said many people want to judge the flower, but they didn't see the seed that was planted. You didn't see when I was in the dirt. You didn't see when I didn't want to sprout out. I wanted to stay in the darkness. Now I mean for sure, but now I had no water. I had no water, ain't no sunlight at all. But like then, now that I'm flourishing and I'm grown, like you can't you can't do nothing because I've already been through the darkness.

Speaker 2: 2:14:55

I've been through through the BS I I sprouted and it's not destined for me to go back there. Yeah so a quote that we use sometimes too, and chief and I say this to each other, especially on them discouraging days I'd be like man. Do trees ever stop reaching for the sun? That's powerful. I like that. It's like no, it's like nigga, we ain't stopping either.

Speaker 1: 2:15:14

I don't know we ain't stopping either you can take a break.

Speaker 2: 2:15:16

God damn it. Trees, shed, leaves and shit too. You know what I'm saying, but it's like, hey, no, I can't put the thought in my mind I am done. Am I tired? Yes, nigga, I'm tired, it'll be it someday Am.

Speaker 2: 2:15:32

I exhausted? Yes, am I discouraged some days? Yes, this is the honesty of who I am. You can't give me an antidote for how I feel, but me just expressing man. It's an antidote in that for how I feel, but me just expressing man. It's an antidote in that and just being able to and dialogue and being able to you can hit the sigmund freud um, a little bit, a little bit supposed to be one of them people who was so smart, they was crazy, but he believed in psychoanalysis of how you can heal people through communication, through dialogue.

Speaker 2: 2:16:02

Remember words is probably the most second powerful thing that people need every day and we just overlook them. It is food, is nerd food for one nourishment and then I love you yeah that's right.

Speaker 2: 2:16:14

You need that. We communicate every day, man, you. So if you're being told, I don't give a fuck about you, you ugly, you is a mistake, you ain't shit times physical abuse, would you? Would you care for that person after a while? That's right. Just looking at it in a vague standpoint, not placing titles, because then it gets confusing. Then it then it becomes a cycle game of that's your brother, that's your mother, that's this is like. Hate is hate, love is love. Right is right, wrong is wrong. I'm not more loyal to my last name than what's right or wrong. Oh, okay, okay, like me and jesus don't say the same last name, but I follow what that. I follow what he say. That's god's son, right. So my brother told me um, don't do that whole ass.

Speaker 1: 2:17:02

Shit right. Don't do no more, man Don't do no more, don't do it, man For sure.

Speaker 2: 2:17:05

So it's one of those man Of You'll be alienated Because you have boundaries and you have things that you you stand on.

Speaker 1: 2:17:14

Sure, and people don't like that. For some reason, they don't like that when you stand for yourself. Ain't that crazy?

Speaker 2: 2:17:19

Yeah, yeah, it's a quote we said the other day like man um, people will be, people will be mad that you happy and that's sad man.

Speaker 2: 2:17:29

Oh say, a woman's time for the people in the back man there are folks out there that will be happy to see you sad. Okay, when you show up and you looking good and you happy, this person seems to want to bring you down. Yeah, yeah, don't you let them do that to you. Don't do it. Don't you let your happiness make you sad because them niggas fucked up? Not at all. Let me play that back your happiness makes them sad because they not happy with themselves. That's right.

Speaker 1: 2:18:04

That's what it is for sure. They're not happy with themselves.

Speaker 2: 2:18:04

That's right, that's right, for sure they're not you show them what it is to be dedicated to something, to give your all to something, to believe in something that's not there. Another word we can put on that list of uh, leave it in 2024 is delusional. Okay, every everybody not delusional. Yeah, I think we gotta hang on to that one. This is my grip with it. The way it's armed.

Speaker 2: 2:18:30

It's armed of delusion is next door to lie right okay it's right next door to lie, even though you know it's not true. So I would even some people be like you. Gotta be so delusional, you see it, we call those goals. We call them goals. Like I ain't delusional, you see it, I'm like, we call those goals, we call them goals Like.

Speaker 1: 2:18:49

I ain't delusional. I know what the fuck I got to do.

Speaker 2: 2:18:51

I ain't I know what I got to do? You delusional, lying to yourself that you happy and you not Right. People will be sad, like people will be mad that you're happy and that's sad, yeah, so you cannot let people bring you down you can't.

Speaker 2: 2:19:04

It's a heavy, heavy thing, man. It's nobody else's responsibility to make you happy. And as a person who dedicates two to three hours a day to that. Two to three hours a day, hey, man, I just need my moment. Yes, I just, I, just I just need my moment. No, that's for real. Yeah, that's real. I need it, man. And as I expressed to my woman, like, hey, we fight today as men, not to undermine women, but it's like, hey, I go out here and I fight today. When I come home, I would love to take my armor off. Okay, I don't need you beating on me, I don't want you beating on me Like that's not love to me, I'll run away from you.

Speaker 1: 2:19:43

I was sitting in that dang driveway for a minute.

Speaker 2: 2:19:47

I'll go to the titty bar. They make you feel like they love you in there. Drink and chicken wings. You ever had some good wings at the titty bar? Titty in your face, you eat wings and some curly fries. They'll run up in your pockets too. You sound like you're speaking from experience. I'm going to say that I've been. They'll run up in your pockets too.

Speaker 1: 2:20:05

You sound like you're speaking from experience I had, to get back on track.

Speaker 2: 2:20:09

He said I was in the negative at the ATL I messed up A bank statement right there in the club Hold up.

Speaker 1: 2:20:17

Man Lobe, I put out a loan To go to the street. Download one of these apps.

Speaker 2: 2:20:23

Hey, bro, you're right. Bitch Dave, I need you to engage.

Speaker 1: 2:20:26

You're right bitch.

Speaker 2: 2:20:27

Hey, dave, dave, I need you. Bro man, I heard I forgot it was one of the rappers in the group. What the hell is the name? It was going to come to me Earth.

Speaker 1: 2:20:39

Gang.

Speaker 2: 2:20:39

It was one of the rappers in the group, earth Gang, and he had said like hey, man, even warriors need euphoria. He was like, hey, man, we battle and that's something we carry every day. Man, we still going out here fighting to get a good fight, we putting up with the struggle and all of those things. But it's like, hey, man, I need some love too goddamn, I need some love too.

Speaker 2: 2:20:58

So freedom speakers, if you have a man and I'm speaking to the women for a second if you have a man, talk to them, they need it who is actually putting in the the effort, man, okay, like it's hard to make something of yourself anybody, but most definitely a man.

Speaker 2: 2:21:15

All right, there is no safety nets for us. There is no system for us except a penitentiary system for us. Man, that's designed for us. We. We not set up to get some of those benefits that will be, that are there for you, women who may, who need those things. Okay, I grew up on it, so I understand. However, it's not a career option. It's not a career option as an, as an employer. We don't have great people not want to work because they was getting all of these benefits from the government without doing anything. So that's that anything. So that's hard to fight as an entrepreneur.

Speaker 2: 2:21:48

We had a great young lady come in, get the shifts, she want hours, she want all of that. We had to write the county a letter like, hey, these are the benefits that she's receiving from this day. Woo, woo, woo Soon. As they cut her off, nigga, she just stopped showing up, yeah, just stopped showing up. Like, man, I gotta work for this. I was just getting it all for nothing.

Speaker 2: 2:22:05

And it's like you're so beautiful and ugly and I don't mean to be negative to her, but it was one of them like you could be so great, but you, you cutting yourself, yeah for sure, but just just just just giving that of like one of one of the battles, man, so if you got a partner who getting out here getting it, they're trying, they're, they're putting forth the best effort, you see how it is out here in the world of like, hey, man, it's difficult to want to go to work when you got a fuck a job mentality, or you got a, you got a poor leader or poor leadership management, you don't care who not trying to communicate with you. But are you being fair to that motherfucker too, right you?

Speaker 1: 2:22:43

know what I'm saying? It's a two way street it, but are you being?

Speaker 2: 2:22:46

fair to that motherfucker too right, you know what I'm saying. It's a relationship. So when I see people who have bad work history, it lets me know like somewhere in their life they probably got a bad spouse or they don't have. They can't.

Speaker 2: 2:22:55

They can't communicate well, because it gets to a point where it's like it's on you somewhere. If you find yourself, you know, one month you beefing with this person, you beefing with that person. You don't like him, you don't like you, you don't like her, you can't stand him. It's like you're the common denominator I don't say that, yeah you don't say.

Speaker 2: 2:23:13

At what point do you say maybe I could adjust my attitude a little bit, maybe I should. Yeah, maybe should I fix me. Should I seek therapy when you start smelling? Smell the crack of your own ass? That was one of their prophecies. Man bro Bernie Mac said that in Us All Men he was like if you're smelling shit, sometimes you need to check the crack of your own ass. Lou, I think I missed that one, bro, as many times I saw that movie.

Speaker 1: 2:23:41

That was a part of the hallway scene when they was arguing.

Speaker 2: 2:23:43

It was like if you smelling shit, you got to check the crack of your. I'm going to go home and watch it tonight, man.

Speaker 1: 2:23:47

Yeah, I'm going to have to check it out man, I love it.

Speaker 2: 2:23:48

You ever seen Saltman Rock?

Speaker 1: 2:23:54

Honestly, I never really watched it fully.

Speaker 2: 2:23:56

You got to check that out.

Speaker 1: 2:23:57

For me it kind of hurt too much to watch it because that was one of his last Isaac, too, it was hard for me To watch that Because, like I said, I'm a big Bernie fan, like if he was in the game today. Bruh, I'm front row, front row, so for me, like, it was hard for me To watch that, but because you said that I'm gonna watch that, bruh, that's.

Speaker 2: 2:24:13

That's one of them ones. You know it wasn't big In the theaters.

Speaker 1: 2:24:18

And I'll tell you what I will.

Speaker 2: 2:24:20

It's not even big Outside of the theater. Dvds to bub Like Between Us, though that's one of them gems.

Speaker 1: 2:24:24

Oh, yeah, where it's like Yo. Yeah, it's like them classics. Them classics Like your personal classics.

Speaker 2: 2:24:30

Yeah, if I'm having a bad day, those are one of the movies that I put on that I'll find something that I may not have seen the first time and but I know certain shit Is gonna make me laugh and it just naturally in a good, because I get it like it's weird, like you wouldn't like just say you know when that movie was coming out. That's something I didn't, you know. I didn't sought to go see. I want to go see that movie so, man, I didn't have. It's like burning mac singing.

Speaker 1: 2:24:54

It's weird. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. That was like 2000 and I remember it's like 2008. Yeah, I remember I was like going into freshman year. It was a lot of time, for sure. I remember that.

Speaker 2: 2:25:03

But that was one of them. Ones Definitely check out Soul man, and we got to talk I will A lot of gems, a lot of references we pulled from that one too, from that movie, you know, from that movie man Freedom Speakers. If you ain't never seen Soul man, I believe it's available on Tubi right now Search it, do a universal search. Search it somewhere and pay the little $4 for it. If it ain't free, it's worth it.

Speaker 1: 2:25:24

It's worth it to have it in the archives.

Speaker 2: 2:25:28

You got a comedian great, Bernie Mac. You got an acting movie legend, Samuel.

Speaker 1: 2:25:32

Who was?

Speaker 2: 2:25:32

also just very comedic in his own right.

Speaker 1: 2:25:37

In his own way, for sure.

Speaker 2: 2:25:38

When that acting role presents the opportunity for him to be funny. Sam be coming with the funny. Yeah, he ain't. He was like you should've got a hip. You should've got a deluxe hip with motherfucking rhythm. Look, dog, ain't bite your ass when you came in here, you the dog motherfucker. It's a funny funny. Back to my $500 a night hotel. Hand me a shit shower and shade. Hand me a shit shower and shade. Hand me a fat juice ass steak. Size of your motherfucking back. This shit is hilarious, man.

Speaker 2: 2:26:13

He said I don't fly and I don't get up to eight. Close the door on my nigga, my cousin, get out of jail and have him kill this motherfucker. That is funny.

Speaker 1: 2:26:22

Check the movie out. Check the movie out, man we stand by that. That's one of the ones.

Speaker 2: 2:26:26

We stand by that yeah that's one of the ones that's up there, man For sure. Man, two days y'all. We two days away. What's on the menu? What's happening? It better be some macaroni and cheese, I'll tell you that Tall tune that's a staple for the family, for the black family like yeah, it got to like it's marion cheese sweet potato pie you just skipped the dessert, like that remember I did the same thing you corrected me too.

Speaker 2: 2:26:51

Like no, it's two different categories. Like desserts is one thing and then, like entrees, we'll get to the dessert table let's talk.

Speaker 1: 2:26:59

Okay, let's, let's come on start from the beginning. Okay, what I would like to see. I mean, I'm not a big turkey fan. Like for me turkey is kind of dry for me a little bit.

Speaker 2: 2:27:10

Amen, hold tight, because I picked up a ham from Honey Baked earlier today and they had the little samples out. Smoked turkey, roasted turkey Okay, that roasted turkey was off the hook. Roasted turkey Okay, so roasted turkey, roasted turkey.

Speaker 1: 2:27:24

Okay, I'm like, hey, fam, we're going to do something different next year. Okay, juicy, flavorful, it was delicious. He said I buy this message. Shout out to Honey Baked.

Speaker 2: 2:27:32

However, I didn't buy any.

Speaker 1: 2:27:34

I got a ham, so maybe next year. He said it was a sample. It was a sample, so definitely hami and cheese, greens, baked beans, deviled eggs, y'all be doing the baked beans?

Speaker 2: 2:27:47

I don't think we be doing the baked beans. On Thanksgiving we do the baked beans sometimes it depends on like not us cook the baked beans, but if we go to somebody's house they normally have like some baked beans with like even.

Speaker 1: 2:27:57

I've had some where they put like little ground beef in there. Oh, no, that right there. That sets it off. I feel like the baked beans.

Speaker 2: 2:28:04

Kind of be like that summer, John. That would be like the Labor Day.

Speaker 1: 2:28:07

That's the barbecue. Yeah, yeah, I feel you. I don't think I've ever had baked beans.

Speaker 2: 2:28:13

I think green beans and white potatoes give me that, compared to like having greens on your plate For sure you know what I'm saying, but listen so.

Speaker 2: 2:28:19

I will say this, though, because the mac and cheese come about. You know Thanksgiving, they have it on Christmas Fourth of July. So respect to the candied yam, the baked bean also goes well when it touches the mac and cheese. Let's talk about it. When the proper flavor of baked bean touches mac and cheese and your fork is splitting. I got a bean on there with my mac. That is also. That's a nice side chick to the mac and cheese. Yeah, that's also. That's a nice side chick to the mac and cheese. Yeah, that's very complimentary, very nice side chick to the mac and cheese I'll be honest.

Speaker 1: 2:28:49

I'm nasty. I don't care what's touching my fork. I'm hungry like I'm. I'm that dude. I don't care what's touching what. I don't care if the juice is spilling over in the greens.

Speaker 2: 2:28:57

I don't care if my chicken touching, I feel that yeah, I'm with you on that, but please like, don't, don't. I don't want no soggy roll though my cornbread. When your roll hit the greens it's like ah, this the fat in me. I'm 50-50. If it's a roll, that's a Cheap ass roll that is going to get soggy and mushy. Yeah, don't put that on my plate. But if you got like, leave a little piece of hot water cornbread on there. I don't like wet bread.

Speaker 2: 2:29:32

You're supposed to slop it up. You're supposed to sit in it. You slop it up, yeah for sure, now I do that. I hit the bread in my like spaghetti sauce you. But when it comes to soul food, though, I don't want to touch my green juice Most people have, like the fat people in us. We have our bread on a separate dish sometimes, or you have it on your napkin.

Speaker 1: 2:29:51

Yeah, I was going to say like a napkin.

Speaker 2: 2:29:53

Let's say, if I'm warming up my plate. First of all, the bread go in that last 15, 20 seconds. You warm up a whole plate, but I will put the bread on top of the macaroni and cheese. The macaroni and cheese, the macaroni and cheese ain't going to do no damage to your bread.

Speaker 1: 2:30:05

It won't Put the bread on top of the mac.

Speaker 2: 2:30:06

It'll be cool. It'll be a little cheese on your bread side. You know what I mean. But I'm excited, man. Thanksgiving, I was, like you know, we black in here. So people are going to be talking oh, we're going to celebrate them pagan holidays and shit like that.

Speaker 1: 2:30:20

I'm ready to be around my family, kick it, have a day off, and that's really what it is to be around family.

Speaker 2: 2:30:26

So I say this, and this is going to be my closing argument for the night when it comes to the holidays, all right, being a man of faith and spirituality, I understand people having this bad narrative about pagans, or this is where Christmas origin from.

Speaker 1: 2:30:43

And this is this, and this is that.

Speaker 2: 2:30:45

It's like, okay, Christmas it was a massacre. You're overwhelming me with so much truth. Okay, Whatever it may be.

Speaker 1: 2:30:54

Can I have something to myself? I just want to eat bro.

Speaker 2: 2:30:57

Is that alright? But you can't make me believe that at a particular time in the year where most people are naturally hit with a level of seasonal depression and I think the lack of sun filters into that I believe a lack of sun 5 o'clock, sun going down, you sad as fuck, as 703.

Speaker 2: 2:31:21

So dark, you feel like it's 1030. It's so dark, you feel like it's 1030. So it's real. Some may not Choose to partake In what they would consider Genocidal traditions, but most still like to partake In what could be considered A good fucking time.

Speaker 2: 2:31:38

Yeah for sure, okay, and if I can Be around my family, not just because it's Christmas, thanksgiving, it's New Years, but it's Tuesday and we all hungry, we here. Can I come eat at your house, because I know y'all eating Right for sure? We don't have to make it. These holidays are purposeful reasons to get together.

Speaker 1: 2:31:57

Right, yeah, and so close too, so close.

Speaker 2: 2:31:59

It's 365 days in a year, man, 366. Sometimes you can tell me we can get together seven, eight times a year. Right, we can do that, we can do that. We can sit the bullshit to the side, we can resolve the bullshit. But you not gonna make me feel like us getting together having a good time is a bad thing, because niggas used to do bullshit on this day years ago.

Speaker 1: 2:32:26

Like niggas did bullshit.

Speaker 2: 2:32:27

the day before this, niggas did bullshit. Niggas do bullshit every day, every day. Every day, man, okay. So, that being said, freedom Speakers, one of the greatest things we would love to do and leave you with on this episode is raw honesty, truth from all of us. We all are given our paths of where we come from, our relationships with god, our spirituality, how we look to sharpen up as husbands, fathers, men, entrepreneurs all the hats that we wear at 80s crowns get heavy baby but jews got real weight to them, though keep that.

Speaker 2: 2:33:00

You know that jews got real weight to him, though. Keep that Know that Drew's got real weight baby. So, as we close out, I would love for the honorable yes indeed the honorable Rodney to be able to close us in prayer, For sure.

Speaker 1: 2:33:17

For sure I'll be honored. Dear Heavenly Father, we come to you today to simply say thank you for the fellowship. Thank you for the fellowship, thank you for the lessons, thank you for the laughs, the joys and just everything you have been doing for us for all of the years of living this thing called life that you have graced us and blessed us with.

Speaker 1: 2:33:33

Allow for you to continue to cover the heads of low and also on key, as well as they are doing this venture that you have blessed on their hearts, that you have positioned them to be, allow for you to download it to their hearts, minds, bodies and spirits. Allow for them to come up with topics that will rejuvenate, that will allow for them to be fresh, renewed, so they can speak up on your people, which you have blessed them to do that.

Speaker 1: 2:33:59

I'm grateful to be a part of this podcast as of today, as we are able to shed light on situations and topics that most people are afraid to speak about. But you have graced them and blessed them to be vocal, be open on things that they may have been scared about to talk about in the public eye, but in this room, right now that you're able to lay your hand on them, allow for them to be vulnerable, be open about what they've been through. But it's not really a loss. It's really a lesson that they have been going through, that they are able to testify, to witness and to shed light on what has been done. As we are able to part our ways right now, allow for us to go home safely.

Speaker 1: 2:34:34

Also, bless the ears upon the listeners upon this podcast today. Bless the eyes upon the people who are visualizing what we're going through today. That allow for them to know that they can speak freely, like there is no limit, there's no boundary on what they can and can't do with what happened in their life, because, as your hands are upon our lives right now, your hands are upon them as well. So please bless their families, bless their loved ones upon this Thanksgiving holiday, even for the people who have passed away, who are gone away. Allow for those people to still remember that they are still here with us today in our hearts, in our minds, that their memories are still here with us today, even though their physical body is not so. As we leave today, in Jesus' name, we do pray, amen.

Speaker 2: 2:35:12

Amen, amen, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful prayer man.

Speaker 1: 2:35:17

Yes, indeed, no problem.

Speaker 2: 2:35:18

Thank you for being a guest on the show. Thank you for speaking freely and, as a tradition, when we bow out of each episode, we close each one with permission to speak. Permission to speak, hold tight. You gotta let the people know one more time how they could reach you, how they could, how they could, uh, could see the show, how they could listen to the pod. We ain't talk too much about the god man podcast, that's true, that's true, we gotta hit that one more time for sure, for sure.

Speaker 1: 2:35:43

Hey guys, what up this? Your boy writing d amps in a second. You can follow me on facebook at dewane areas. You can also follow me on instagram as well, at it's always rodney, and rodney is spelled rdny, and tickets are now available for the production play. People always talking about church folks. Any questions about the ticket sales? You can hit me up on my instagram or you can on my Facebook as well. Just let me know. And also, there is a podcast as well that I'm also the co-host of as well, which is called the Godman Podcast. You can follow us on Instagram at the Godman Podcast, and that's pretty much. It Blessed to have me on this episode, y'all.

Speaker 2: 2:36:17

Yes indeed. Rod yeah, man, definitely appreciate having you here, not chief, go ahead and close us how we close out each show, you know how we do. Permission to speak, really.